My youngest & I am clueless.

So I found this website via searching some phrases and decided to join (against my better judgement!). I am looking for suggestions for schools for my youngest child. I am being vague and obscuring some details so that this doesn’t identify us/her.

First, we love all of our kids equally, of course. We have 4 or 5 kids - the oldest 3 or 4 are either in college or graduates. Our youngest (“bonus baby!!”) is a junior in HS. Our oldest kids were very much academic superstars in HS. I am not trying to brag - and it was nothing that my husband and I did, TRUST ME. They just are very much self-driven and incredibly intellectually talented kids. They all attend/attended “top” Ivy league schools, where they also did well. They are each “their own people” (we joke we have one of each “type” - the class president, the athlete, the drama kid, etc) and very much perfectionists. They all attended a private HS, had top board scores, very high grades, won lots of awards, yadda yadda.

Our youngest is equally “her own person” and a superstar but in a different way. She has a lot of great strengths. She’s the nicest person in our family. She is very kind hearted. She is incredibly well liked. The kind of kid that others (teachers, folks in the neighborhood, my older kids’ friends visiting back home) say, “She’s just so genuinely nice.” What our oldest have in intellectual talent, she has in people skills. She also works/tries very hard. She was not a good fit at the private school my older kids attended and so she attends our solid, local suburban HS. She gets mostly Bs (some As) in regular, college-prep and honors courses. She will probably take an AP course next year as a senior, but she has not pursued the same kind of HS classes my older kids did. She recently took a practice SAT exam and scored roughly 600/600/600. Her GPA is around a 3.2 (unweighted).

Youngest child was dragged along for all of the college visits we made with the older kids, though for most of these she was only in middle school. Seems like we’ve seen all the “top” schools that our older ones were interested in/ended up attending, but absolutely nothing that was less selective.

I am not naive to think our youngest is a good fit or has a snowball’s chance at any of these schools. We need to figure out what schools might be realistic options for her, and a good fit. It might seem weird because we’ve had 4 go through the process and land at those schools that everyone seems to want, but in some ways we feel like we’re totally new to this.

At my older kids’ private school, there was a lot of hand-holding and advising even in the junior year from the college advisors. Youngest daughter’s public HS has (understandably) much less support and won’t have programming until the spring (I think).

Can folks suggest names of medium-sized colleges that might be a good fit for a nice, happy, well-liked, hard-working B-ish student with ok but not great test scores - maybe in the Northeast, Midwest, or Northwest?

I don’t know if a big public university would be a good fit…can anyone provide insight from their own kids who are this type (hardworking, friendly, not academic superstar student)? I am thinking that because she works for those Bs, that she might get lost in a big public university in big lecture classes. But perhaps that’s actually the way to go?

I am thinking schools with 5,000-10,000 students might be a good idea (she says she doesn’t know, we’ve asked her). She thinks she wants to major in English, but is not firmly committed to any major. We need to start to think about when we might visit some of these schools (Spring break or summer).

Is there a list of these kinds of schools anywhere?

Anyone have a similar kind of child (profile/attitude/personality) - what kind of school ended up being the best fit for them?

Thanks in advance.

Cost constraints?

To me she sounds like a kid who would benefit from an LAC. Have you looked at the Colleges That Change Lives schools? There are some good choices there for B students. Can you take her to visit a couple different kinds of schools in your area to get a feeling for how she feels about universities vs. LACs vs. middle-sized colleges?

What majors might she be interested in in addition to English?

Have you checked the College that Change Lives book/website? College of Wooster, University of Puget Sound, Rhodes? Might be a good place to start. Maybe Miami of Ohio? Pop the scores/grades up a bit and William & Mary might be a reach.

You don’t know how many kids you have?

Wow that was fast. Thank you for the recommendations, everyone. I searched the College that Changes Lives website and it looks like a good list to start with.

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UC - That is a good question and one we’re trying to sort out. We have a 529 plan for her; it has about $100k in value. The older ones are much closer in age so we had multiple in school at the same time and they reduce your EFC for each kid (bonus if you didn’t know - have kids close in age). The older ones attend/attended schools that met full need in grants (need-only places) and we qualified for aid at each place, but I know these schools are generous (our EFC is about $40k for our current kid in college, but this is at a school that gives out a lot of aid to people with high incomes). It is crazy to see what the costs are now-a-days. I am sure I sound like my mother, but from my oldest’s freshman year to now, it seems like things have jumped even just in the past few years. I don’t know what we would qualify for at a less generous school. We are upper-middle-class.

4kids, I know how many kids I have, I was just trying to be vague so I wouldn’t put too much information on the internet and someone could figure out who I was. Though some days, and certainly when they were younger, there were probably days when I couldn’t tell you how many kids I had! I’ve left my fair share at the grocery store before by accident (yes, honestly).

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So presumably $25,000 per year or $12,500 per semester over 8 semesters plus whatever you can contribute from current income? Or less per year or semester if you want to account for the risk of needing more than 8 semesters to graduate. The student can take federal direct loans ($5,500 frosh year) and/or work to earn a few thousand dollars per year as well. Adding all of these together can give you a maximum net price, though lower would obviously be better for both your finances and her avoiding debt.

You may want to try some net price calculators at various college web sites to get an idea of what net price you can expect from them.

Some lower cost LAC type schools include:

Truman State
University of Minnesota - Morris
New College of Florida
University of North Carolina - Asheville
SUNY - Geneseo
some more may be at http://www.coplac.org/members/

Look at the public schools in your state other than the flagship for starters. Your D’s HS guidance office will also have information on private schools in your area that kids in her academic ballpark often attend. There are hundreds of schools out there. Where you live matters in choosing among them. Public second tier schools instate may be good choices for her. Here on CC posters often forget about those in their prestige search.

Look at SUNY Oneonta. SUNY Geneseo may be a reach- she should still apply if interested.

SUNY Oneonta has about 5,000-6,000 students and is a nice medium sized school with a lot to offer. I have a few friends whose kids are either there now or who recently graduated, and they are all very happy. My friend’s daughter graduated in May and got a teaching job right away (HS math teacher). The school seems to be a nice match academically for your daughter. It is also reasonably priced for out of state students.

Another good one is TCNJ. It’s a great school that is underrated.

You’re describing my 12 year old daughter, almost to a T.

Don’t discount those smaller schools-- from what I’ve seen, some are perfect for the non-academic superstars, since they offer smaller student/teacher ratios.

Framingham State (MA) is a great example.

I would take her to a variety of “schools for B students”…small private, larger private, small flagship, big flagship, rah rah, quiet, greek life, no greek life, city, rural, schools and see where she sees herself.

Are Catholic schools ok? Would she prefer a school that is all-women or leans heavily female? or would she prefer a school that is close to 50/50?

Is she the type who’d like a rah rah school? My older son didn’t seem to be the type…he’s the quiet type…but he loved/still loves his big rah rah school. However, there are some students that really love the quiet rural schools.

If your older children will be out of college when this one goes, your household count will suddenly be 3 people, so your EFC could jump up.

Even if you are not Jewish, you may want to peruse this thread. Lots of schools for B students are discussed.

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/931514-colleges-for-the-jewish-b-student-p1.html

Ithaca College

She sounds like a friendly person, so I school not too large and friendly where she can develop her social skills would be good. Grades-wise, she could get into Catholic U in DC, maybe American U. Some other mid size Catholic universities that might work are Providence, Fairfleld, Scranton and Loyola Baltimore. Good luck.

Geographic area? Ithaca college will not give much money for a kid like yours. No financial aid and very little merit. My kid with somewhat higher GPA and substantially higher SATs got very little. That is probably true for American and Providence as well.

A smaller OOS public might be a good fit. We are in NYC suburbs and kids go to schools like U Delaware for that kind of experience. U Rhode Island gives OOS money and your daughter may be eligible. If she can get the SATs up, Syracuse may give her a nice merit scholarship. Muhlenberg as well.

As for publics, look beyond the flagship to some of the smaller universities or colleges. Some of these can be a good fit in terms of academics and finances.

Not sure I would worry as much about a hard working, socially adept kid at a large public. If she can advocate for herself and finds a major that is not huge, she could be fine.

The beginning of junior year is still early in the process. Does your HS have naviance or other system that lets you see where kids with her stats were accepted? That can be a great starting point. To be eligible for merit money, she would really need to be above the 75th percentile in SAT and GPA.

She sounds like a great kid. I, too, had three that are very different. If you saw them in a room together you would not easily discern they were brothers. I am glad I got to experience different points of view and activities from theater, to sports, to marching band. Good luck!

My kid never aimed at any Ivy / Elite and was able to withstand the pressure of her GC to apply to them. She wanted to be close to home, but not in the same town. So, she visited schools within 3.5 hrs driving from home and went from there. There is no way to recommend any school without knowing the applicant’s criteria for choosing. Being close to home was one of the higher criteria for my kid, but she had a very clear criteria list and schools that she visited, some of them multiple times with overnights, they matched her criteria list, some closer than others.

I would definitely start with the criteria list. It should be in a order or weighted priority, meaning that every criteria on this list ideally should be given some numeric value. Say, top criteria is 10 points, the second is 8 and so forth. Then the college that gets the highest score is a winner.

My D. ended up attending at one of our in-state public, that looking back was not just a perfect match, but exceeded our family expectations in many aspects. We visited it many times, with and without her, making sure time and again that the place is a good fit. One thing we skipped was checking the rankings, did not occur to any of us that ranking will lead to the right decision. For references, D. graduated #1 in her private HS that happened to be #2 private HS in our state.
Listening to others may lead you to completely incorrect decision. And at the end, let your kid decide.

Welcome, @corgimaster!

The Colleges That Change Lives suggestion is a great place to start. I’d also invest in one of the better college guides. The Fiske series (http://www.fiskeguide.com/) were really helpful to our family. If you can afford it, a GOOD college counselor might be worth considering too if you don’t have unlimited time to play that role in your DD’s life. :slight_smile:

I know you don’t want to reveal too much personal information, but if you could tell us which state you live in (be as creative as you want–folks here are pretty smart!), that would be helpful as cost for your family will very much depend on things like in-state vs. out-of-state and reciprocity agreements, etc.

The two Fiske Guides we bought when our kid was a junior (along with Lynn O’Shaunghessy’s book, The College Solution, and her website) were enormously helpful–although not as helpful as the collective wisdom of CC parents. Be patient with folks here–you’ll get a wide variety of opinions–but it’s truly ‘crowdsourcing’ at its finest.

Why would it be “against your better judgment” to join this community that offers its time, energy and a wealth of information?