<p>NAPS describes its "average class" as 325, but I think this year it was closer to 300. About 60 of those are Coast Guard Academy candidates, and about a third of the class is prior enlisted (there's a little double counting there w/ prior enlisted Coasties). </p>
<p>Can't answer your second or third questions, though.</p>
<p>Now that I think of it, I may not have answered your first question, either. What you really want to know is how many candidates are OFFERED NAPS. That I don't know.</p>
<p>Yes how many "Scholastically Qualified"- meaning Academically, Physically-(CFA), and DODMERB-(no waivers) Qualified are offered NAPS?</p>
<p>It appears from what I've read on these boards that none of the approximate 500 (from USNA homepage) or 388 Scholastically Qualified (from last yrs #'s) are offered this door into Navy. </p>
<p>It is an observation and may have no validity until further verified.</p>
<p>CGA I don't think the NAPS people come out of the non-appointed Triple Q's. My son was in that category. I think they come out of a different pool. No proof of this just anecdotal based on speaking to other people as well.</p>
<p>Thanks Boss and NorCalMom-It doesn't make any sense to me to lose a whole group of Triple Qed for non Triple Qed.</p>
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<p>The Naval Academy doesn't have enough slots to offer appointments to everyone who is qualified. Furthermore, the admissions board offers appointments to the best candidates. Obviously, those who are qualified but were not offered appointments were not the best candidates. This is similar to the American Idol competition: they are not just looking for people who can sing, they are looking for the best singer.</p>
<p>Approximately one third of each class entering the Naval Academy has been out of high school for at least one year. The academy places a premium on these candidates because they are more mature than those appointed directly out of high school. Moreover, candidates who apply a second time are given more consideration than a first time applicant because they are showing virtues of commitment and perseverance.</p>
<p>"Furthermore, the admissions board offers appointments to the best candidates. Obviously, those who are qualified but were not offered appointments were not the best candidates"</p>
<p>The next best should be given the next best opportunity for Appointment otherwise don't tell them your "Scholastically Qualified." </p>
<p>The 1/3 and the mature should be called the "Scholastically Qualified".</p>
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The next best should be given the next best opportunity for Appointment otherwise don't tell them your "Scholastically Qualified."
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<p>Assuming that NAPS/Foundation Scholarships is the next best opportunity, these candidates by definition don't need to attend prep school. If these candidates are seriously interested in attending the Naval Academy, they will enroll in a civilian university and reapply the following year.</p>
<p>"these candidates by definition don't need to attend prep school"</p>
<p>Hardly, the military aspects and the academics in Navy prospective would most definitely make them a better plebe-even if you are a superstar already..The time or "maturity" for any young person can only make you better.</p>
<p>"If these candidates are seriously interested in attending the Naval Academy, they will enroll in a civilian university and reapply the following year"</p>
<p>Again-the best opportunity other than a Direct Appointment is NAPS. Enrollment in a college doesn't get as good a deal as compared to NAPS.</p>
<p>Let's try again! Does anyone know if "Scholastically Qualified" "Triple Qed" people get offered NAPS?</p>
<p>From the way I understand it, I'd suspect they don't. There's no strengthening, remediating to be achieved. They're qualified for appointment, i.e. admissable students ... but will be "admitted" only IF there's room when their queue comes up, I think. And I'd think the queue would involve not only spaces available, but also the candidate's relative position to those others in the pool at that time.</p>
<p>The way I understand NAPS/Foundation is that they are developmental, not merely holding tanks to allow the fish to grow bigger. And yes it does seem strange considering that non-triple Qed are thrown into that tank vs. those who are triple Qed. </p>
<p>IF that's the case, and it seems it may be based upon comments of those knowledgeable of this, should we assume there is an implicit assumption here among the admissions officials that the triple Qed but not admitted for lack of space are less apt to continue to grow and develop?</p>
<p>Now the one that DOES make sense in this scheme is that NAPS/Foundation are used to develop those in special target/needs of the Academy ... for diversity/gender, athletics, old salts to spice up the Brigade, etc.</p>
<p>I agree with the above reasoning, just remember that a lot of Foundation kids have already started down that road, and I suspect many NAPS kids will also start diverging off. If thats the case, then it seems that the true unluckly are those who are too good for NAPS/Foundation, but not good enough for admission. </p>
<p>My friend who is a foundation student this year started recieving Foundation letters in December, never recieved a scholastically qualified letter, so it would appear that that may be the cut-off for basing whether you are to be considered for prep school or not. Obviously there are exceptions based on the WPM, i.e. atheletes, etc.</p>
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Let's try again! Does anyone know if "Scholastically Qualified" "Triple Qed" people get offered NAPS?
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<p>The answer is no.</p>
<p>The reasons are many, and will try to highlight just a few that immediately come to mind:
-triple qualified candidate may be too far down on their MOC list (ie: not the primary candidate)- remember, the academies are geographically represented
-MOC may already have reached quota at academy
-NAPS primary mission: to provide entry way into the academy for those already in the service with demonstrated leadership ability
-athletic recruits that offer other attributes that bring up their "whole person score" asides from academics alone, that may "rank above" for NAPS consideration
-even triple q'd candidates will be "ranked" according to their "whole person score"....so who knows where one falls on that listing</p>
<p>....just a few of the tons of reasons why an offer may not be forthcoming....
there will be 240 or so that get the nod for NAPS- another 60 or so for the foundation program (out of about 600 that get referred!)... </p>
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<p>Hate to tell you, but our son received the same "triple q'd" letter before his offer for foundation..... so it would be a mistake to assume these candiates are not "triple q'd".... </p>
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They're qualified for appointment, i.e. admissable students ... but will be "admitted" only IF there's room when their queue comes up, I think. And I'd think the queue would involve not only spaces available, but also the candidate's relative position to those others in the pool at that time.
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<p>would second this one....</p>
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<p>and this one....</p>
<p>as posted above, about 500 triple q'd candidates will be turned away....just not enough seats for many, many talented candidates....</p>
<p>factor in the 33% of each admission class that have at least one year of post-high school academics behind them- many of those with 2 or more years- including PG and college-level work- that get admitted each year</p>
<p>-then there are the candidates that are motivated enough to apply for a second, and even third time.... many of them have posted here</p>
<p>It is hard to whittle down 12,000-14,000+ of interested parties to 1500 offers, to yield a class size of about 1240.... </p>
<p>and out of 1240, subtract the 240 or so from NAPS, the 60+ from foundation, and the 400+ that have at least one year of post-high school education under their belts....that leaves, roughly speaking, 540 or so spots for first-time applicants straight out of high school.... factor in about 20-25% for females, another percentage for underrepresented minorities.... it's a wonder there are any seats left at all!</p>
<p>academics alone don't cut it...
athletics alone don't cut it either...
candidates must be well rounded well beyond the triple q'd of academically, physically and athletically.... they must have demonstrated leadership, the right motivation, the other "intangibles" that we are not privy to....</p>
<p>Score "too high" academically and you may not be a candidate for NAPS or foundation.....but those that are referred might just be the candidates that may have aced every other catagory that goes into the "whole person" score that moves them above another triple-q'd candidate..... remember, even though there might be an offer of NAPS or foundation, these candidates are far from the bottom of the academic heap....keep in mind, the foundation program boasts the hightest USNA graduation rate compared to every other group at the academy- and have sustained that ranking for over a decade! </p>
<p>And many, many will try to "figure out" why one got an offer over another- and IMHO, the truth is that you will never know- no doubt there is a rhyme-and-reason driving the process, but I doubt you will ever know what that is in it's entiriety.... we can guess, speculate, critizice, etc, but in the end the simple fact is that this is not in our control....</p>
<p>which brings me back to my basic philosophy.... that all you can do is the very best that you can do....regardless of what someone else has done.... your application will have to stand on it's own merit, and as long as you have done your very best effort in each and every facet of what this process entails, then you have done all you can- and the rest is not in your control. What is in your control is doing the necessary soul-searching to determine if you are motivated to go through this all again if this time should not work out the way you want.... some may decide it is not; having gone this far, others will have that motivation and desire intensify. There are many, many at the academy that have tried 2 and 3 times before taking that oath on I-Day.... </p>
<p>and somehow the admissions office manages to produce a seller class each and every year- geographically balanced, diversified, motivated.... </p>
<p>so if this goes your way, congrats and good luck!.... and I can't wait for YOUR I-Day so our plebes can be "Plebes-no-more!!!"
And if it doesn't, if USNA is what you want, really really want, then try again- and again if that is what it takes. Don't let a skinny letter this year deter you from trying again.....there WILL BE a Class of 2012...and 2013...and even 2014!!!</p>
<p>And remember this- the USNA is but one way to gain entry into the NAVY- and that is really the goal, isn't it? I mean, the goal should not be "USNA OR BUST"..... the goal should be "NAVY-ANY WAY I CAN GET IT".... so there is always NROTC... and there are plenty of those out there very happy in those programs as well....</p>
<p>Best of luck to all of you- I really do understand the anxiety you are feeling right now- it only gets better.... :eek:</p>
<p>"so if this goes your way, congrats and good luck!.... and I can't wait for YOUR I-Day so our plebes can be "Plebes-no-more!!!"</p>
<p>You may be waiting until the class of 2011’s I Day but I’m pretty sure I will be celebrating with my “Plebe-no-more” at the completion of Herndon!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usna.org/handbook/index.html:%5B/url%5D">http://www.usna.org/handbook/index.html:</a>
With the completion of Herndon, the Plebe Year "officially" comes to an end and the cheer, "Plebes no more!!!" rings out loud and clear across the Yard. Now officially Fourth Classmen (4/C), the Mids will become Youngsters at the conclusion of Commission of the First Class Midshipmen several days later. There is, however, some debate that the 4/C does not advance until they sight the Chapel Dome upon returning from their Youngster Cruise. It matters not.</p>
<p>^^^^ you take me way, way too literally! As for Herndon, fear not- we already have the clock counting down! ;)</p>
<p>Thanks for the answers 2010, WP and RK-not sure I agree with some of the answers but it is what it is.</p>
<p>Profmom-Coast Guard has a similiar saying- "You're a Swab until you see a Swab".</p>
<p>Minor comment re: navy2010's entry:
<<there will="" be="" 240="" or="" so="" that="" get="" the="" nod="" for="" naps="">> ...(and later) <<...subtract the 240 or so from NAPS>> </there></p>
<p>NAPS starts w/ around 240 USNA hopefuls, but by USNA I-Day that number's closer to 200. (NAPS class of '07 has lost 12-15% of its members already, and Admin is just now starting academic review for borderline kids.) Also, it was my understanding that those 400+ or so w/ post-high school included NAPS and Foundation? And might there be double-counting in this calculation for URMs/females who are in the top-tier admitted and others who get NAPS/Foundation? So maybe the number's not quite as tiny as suggested? </p>
<p>I guess I just want to encourage those still waiting. I love the info avalanche available on the web, but feel lucky I was ignorant back when I was waiting to hear from colleges. My heart goes out to you kids!</p>
<p>^^^^^^^^^
Amen to that! I will simply add that my heart goes out to all the moms & dads too. Someone wise & wonderful recently validated to me that YES, this is hard on parents too.</p>
<p>My husband relates the story that way back in the 'dark ages' when he applied to USNA, he drove an hour for an interview, submitted his paperwork, <hand written,="" not="" online="" gasp!="" :p=""> forgot about all his college apps & enjoyed his Sr. yr. Wasn't until Feb. he heard he was appointed & not until plebe year was nearly over he knew his nominating source! Talk about information blackout!? LOL!! </hand></p>
<p>Keep the faith all you applicants, moms & dads in the waiting cycle. Good things come to those who wait. :)</p>
<p>CelticClan....what year USNA was your hubby? Mine was 1972</p>