<p>"The problem I ran into with EA is that when I applied (2003 so we had the big increase in applications due to the success of the football team) the increase in applications for EA was greater than it was for the overall applicant pool. Because of that, they were more cautious than they had to be with EA because they didn't know how big the entire applicant pool is." irish68717</p>
<p>Has anyone heard how many ppl applied early this year? (have they even counted yet?)</p>
<p>I talked to the Chicago rep. in the first week of September, and she said 300 people had already sent in their apps. This doesn't really help predict what the # will be now, but 300 seemed like a lot for how early that was. She also said that those 300 people "worried" her, but I guess thats a different tpoic.</p>
<p>Why was she "worried"? The first week in September does seem a little early.. but i guess if you got your stuff together then that's great.</p>
<p>Did they worry her because there were so many of them? Or was there something about the quality of the applicants- were they exceptional or weak?</p>
<p>She hadn't seen any of them - she said that all the reps are travelling in September and October and then they come back on November 1st to start reading apps. She implied that she was worried that those 300 people might not have taken enough time on their applications since they sent them so early.</p>
<p>I haven't heard anything on numbers guys, but if I see people in the know on campus I will definately ask and will let you know what I find out.</p>
<p>Don't stress it too much, it is out of your hands. Only worry about what you can control, otherwise you will be paying me to fix your problems in the near future (Psych major). Seriously, though, there is nothing you can do. If there is an application increase I don't see it greatly changing things, it may just mean they waitlist more students. If you are a solid applicant, it won't matter. If you are borderline, then it may hurt, but don't worry about that. All you can do is work on the here and now so go and kick butt. If you are waitlisted you want to be able to turn in really strong grades and show that you are still doing all the things that got you in the position to be waitlisted in the first place, so don't let up, and just worry about what you have control over.</p>
<p>I will let you know if I hear any numbers! Good luck everyone!</p>
<p>hmm wow i haven't been back to this site in a long time. now i'm 3 months into my freshman year here and it's starting to get freakin cold (completely awesome by the way, this place is AMAZING and i love it here). good luck guys.</p>
<p>Here's another football/athletics ?..... when they calculate the average range of scores for the incoming freshman class do the scholarship athletes' scores go into that?</p>
<p>I believe so but I guarantee you DocMom would know this and I am sure she will come with the proper answer soon. I am so glad she is on here, because I am not sure, but hang on and she will know. I think they do factor them in, however, since they are students just like everyone else.</p>
<p>Yea I was definitely leaning towards thinking they do, but some of their scores are pretty low so I just wondered if they would even put that in there since they probably wouldn't be students there if they weren't athletes. I'm not trying to degrade the athletes because I love that the school has strong athletics, but that's just the truth.</p>
<p>In a recent Chicago Tribune article about Charlie Weis a high school recruiting analyst mentioned how Weis has helped his cause by convincing the administration to allow (not an exact quote) "not bad students, but students with 1000 SATs and 2.5 GPAs" to be admitted with a football scholarship. Sad for the rest of us, isn't it?</p>
<p>Definitely, especially when there are many many kids who work very hard just to have a chance to get in, but its a double edged sword I mean we all want the football team to do well</p>
<p>It is hard to swallow at times, I know, but you have to see the lives these athletes live. It is amazing what they do and I honestly couldn't do it. The football players will be in your classes (and go to class) and while they usually aren't the ones who set the class on fire they can usually hold their own (even in Philosophy, at least for one I know). They put in 20 hours a week (I believe) on football and then have to do all of their ND studies, it really amazes me. They are hard workers and good guys and really I don't mind having them here; I like it. They definately get in advantage getting in but I wouldn't trade places with them, not when I see what they go through!</p>
<p>Without knowing definitively, I would be surprised if the average incoming scores did <em>not</em> include athletes. The class is the class, and they would have to have an asterisk beside the number if it didn't include everyone. </p>
<p>You have to remember that it's not just athletes with an advantage in admissions. You've got band members, legacies, artists, actors, etc. As a top-20 school, Notre Dame wants a well rounded student-body, and if they need flute players you can bet the requirements are softened a little for an excellent flutist. Admissions hears from all its constituent groups on campus, not just athletics.</p>
<p>Because athletes at ND are completely integrated into the ND system, it has to be tough to come in there behind the eight ball, academically. The First Year of Studies is the same for every freshman, whether you're an athlete or not. Also keep in mind the the vast majority of athletes recruited are far above 1000 SATs. Bright, physically capable athletes want to go to ND, because they can get the great education along with the great athletics.</p>
<p>notre dame doesnt admit athletes unless they can compete in the classroom as well as on the field. They arent going to admit you just because you are an amazing athlete if you cant hang in the classroom. I think they do count and all of the athletes i have met since i have been hear are really smart. They may accept kids who have a little lower SATs than the "normal" student, but they arent incredibly lower.</p>
<p>I disagree. The athlete requirements (especially for football) are very very different than everyone else's. Don't get me wrong, they compete in the classes and all, but I also follow recruiting very closely for football. There are football players that barely will break 800 on the SAT (old version) that get into Notre Dame with 2.5 GPA's in high school. Brady Quinn had one of the higher SAT scores at just about an even 1000. Yes, athletes can compete at ND, but I would call a 550 point difference a significant difference.</p>
<p>EDIT: that being said, they do not admit just anyone, that is true, you have to have both sides. I just am refuting the idea that it is all that that high, because it isn't really. There are kids who do not get offered by ND because of grades, however, even though they qualify based on the NCAA's requirements.</p>