NEOMED BS/MD taking mainly Cincinnati and Columbus kids

I am a junior from the Akron area and attended open house and was on college visits to Akron YSU and Kent this year.
Surprisingly NEOMED is mainly admitting kids from Columbus and Cincinnati only. I heard 15 of the current class in all three are from Cincinnati and Columbus and 5 are from OOS.

What happened to Neomed’s vision of creating Primary care doctors in the NEO area?

My counselor is recommending me not to apply there as their commitment to the area is gone even though they get funding specifically to support and serve NEO area.There seems to be a bias brewing.

It is a shame NEOMED is doing this.

Does anyone else feel the same way?

Please see my response in post #133 here where you presented this exact same thing: http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/multiple-degree-programs/1763204-official-thread-admission-into-neomed-bs-md-program-fall-of-2016.html#latest

Thank you both for responding.

I did talk to quite a few C1 and C2 s and half the class in all three schools were from Cincinnati and Columbus. in fact C2 in Kent told there were 19 from Columbus and 9 got booted out this year due to issues. Also the consensus among all of them is to match to Mayo or something similar in surgery or something Ike that. Out of the 15 I talked to only one girl who is from a rural area near Roots town plans to stay in the area doing Family medicine. That too for the scholarship in the local hospital. All others said they stopped talking about Primary care and NEO the day after the interview.

I like your optimism but the reality is totally different.

The alarming issue is there is literally no Doctor who graduated in the last ten years from Neomed is practicing in the area hospitals. All Neomed products in the area are really old.

When I visited two times I got really concerned and that is why I decided to get others’ views also. Probably you two met the C1 and C2 s I did not meet. I appreciate you sharing your views and giving me hope.

http://www.neomed.edu/campuslife/studentaffairs/forms-1/match-day_residency-appointments_2015.pdf

Here is the match list from 2015. I’m sure NEOMED would like to see more pursuing primary care but 46% of the 2015 class is pursuing primary care. I find it hard to believe that there are no younger NEOMED grads in NEO practicing primary care. Though I have done no research to refute your claim.

It is hard for any medical student to know for sure what their heart will desire after doing rotations in different fields. My niece thought she wanted to be a surgeon but during her last rotation she fell in love with obstetrics and became an OB/GYN. She did not attend NEOMED.

And keep your eyes on NEOMED, I think you will see more changes in the very near future that will help it to align with it’s mission.

@Medschool0001…I am from the Canton Area…I know one girl who got in from Canton and a couple last year…I remember during my freshman year Six got in from the same school in the area (Jackson)…Yah…Last two years I hear it has been a dry spell for the area…If I were you I would not exclude any and apply to NEOMED…Good luck to you…

@medschool0001,

So, let me hit on several points. It’s not surprising at all that Bachelor/MD programs tend to recruit more from big cities rather than from towns and rural areas. It’s always been that way. Not surprising as bigger cities have more resources, more opportunities to build up your CV, schools which have the gamut of AP classes, many healthcare settings to volunteer at, etc. Rural areas don’t tend to have these things, or in not as much quantity, so they can be at a distinct disadvantage. I don’t think NEOMED purposefully recruits only from Columbus and Cincinnati, it just ends up being that way. UMKC tends to be the same way, with respect to the in-state pool – mainly those who live around KC and St. Louis. Also, NEOMED, takes very very few from OOS.

As far as NEOMED’s primary care vision, you have to realize that a medical school can not force a medical student to apply to a specialty, in primary care or otherwise. I know tons of students even in my class, who thought they would be doing primary care as Year 1, and after having thoroughly experienced it, totally hated it and went into other fields they did like, or did an initial primary care residency (IM or Peds) with the intent to subspecialize. The medical school can’t stop that. This is reflective of U.S. medical students at the national level in terms of primary care. It’s very easy to say you want to do primary care, unless you’ve experienced it yourself over a period of time. There are many reasons, outside of salary, why U.S. medical students have turned away from primary care, which I won’t go into here.

Thanks @Roentgen for your response but schools like Neomed can do a better job.

They need to realize why they are there in the first place and why they are funded by the State. There are always solutions to any problem and if the ones running these schools can not figure out a way to work towards the goals they are unfit to be there in the first place. To me it is not rocket science.

I tried googling for five minutes looking for success stories and I stumbled upon an MN medical school successfully recruiting kids only from the local rural area and successfully producing Primary care physicians, who stay and serve in the same area.

It took me fives minutes to find a model school whereas the guys running these schools just sit there and do nothing but collecting paycheck every month for decades not even knowing why they are there in the first place.

That is why schools especially state funded schools are making a mockery of the situation.

@medschool0001, I understand your point of view regarding their mission, and receiving public state funding. This isn’t just a problem at NEOMED, but at ALL public institutions whose mission might be in primary care (not all of them have this mission, just because they are public). Private institutions as you know can do whatever they want, and can have missions that aren’t primary care oriented, i.e. in the same state, Case Western. Again, I don’t believe NEOMED is PURPOSEFULLY only recruiting students from Cincinnati and Columbus at the expense of rural areas. We’ve always had less total applicants in certain segments apply to med school – underserved urban areas and in rural areas. I think cost has a lot to do with it these days, esp. with alternative healthcare fields available. Many people don’t want to go 6 figures in debt, and in such a ridiculously long training path, and I don’t blame them.

That being said, rural areas (just like cities) need BOTH type of physicians – primary care and specialists/subspecialists. Right now, rural areas are deficient in both, so even receiving a subspecialist is a win in terms of providers, because a subspecialists can also do primary care, if they want to. There are even programs in which people can do rural healthcare to pay off their loans, and as you can imagine, those doctors do their x # of years to pay off their loans, or at least get them under manageable condition and then move right back to the city, so it ends up being more of a rotational basis in terms of providers, which I don’t know if that’s really any better for rural areas. While there is a higher likelihood of those from rural areas going back to their communities to practice like you might think, I’ve also just as often seen the opposite, where those who were from rural areas their entire lives, never go back there again once they finish residency, and wish to live in major cities in which there are a lot more things to do compared to where they came from. A lot of things change in people’s lives when they get married, have children, etc. especially in medicine in which there is such a delayed gratification factor in terms of life milestones. Medical students also tend to train in academic medical centers for residency which tends to have a lot of specialists within reach, which tend to almost always be in major cities. It’s also where research to come up with new therapies and treatments come from. There was a study done that showed that residency graduates tended to always stay within x number of miles of the city they did their residency at (I don’t know the exact number), since unlike PAs and NPs, MDs have no choice but to complete a residency, so they may not only live in a non-rural area, but also a completely different state, depending on where on their list they match for residency, which is out of their control, as it is run under a computer algorithm. But I think a lot of things contribute to the discrepancy, that are way outside the bounds and reach of the med school to be able to control – student preferences based on exposure, the residency application system, student’s life milestones, etc. Surely you don’t think a med school is responsible if someone 20 years after graduating from their med school (so now 46 years old), decides to live in the city with their family, do you? Right now, we live in a country, in which the federal government doesn’t distribute doctors to specific areas, like they do in Canada, which has a single payer, federal govt. run system. Unless we go to that type of system, it’s very difficult to control where doctors decide to live since doctors, because like all other working professionals, they still have free will.

And yes, I am well aware of rural pipeline track programs, as a few med schools have had these type of programs for decades, but like mentioned above, it still doesn’t take into account free will, and that we just don’t have that many total rural applicants willing to apply to and go thru the physican track of going to med school, residency, etc… Even for programs that pay your tuition for working in a rural/underserved area, that will still be only for a very limited time, and once that time is up, that person will pick themselves up, and move to where they really want to move.

@Roentgen,

I am not even suggesting mandatory service in the area.

If you recruit 100 people from Florida the chances are - 99 of the 100 will go back to Florida or somewhere else and the same way if you recruit 100 from Cincinnati at least 95 of the 100 will go back to Cincinnati or somewhere else. If you select 100 from NEO Rural at least 1/3 rd will stay in the area. Had we done this for a couple of decades just with the voluntary program you could have accomplished your goal.

(Based on what I have seen people in NEO especially in the rural area rarely run away and they have been here for generations and are also proud of their small towns too.)

That is why I say it is not rocket science, just common sense.

P.S Anyway I am hearing from my friend that BS MD at Neomed is being scrapped after decades of failure to achieve its goals.

@medschool0001,

But this is what I’m trying to tell you. When they’ve done the actual statistics, analysis, and research (which is peer-reviewed and then published in respected journals) regarding where physicians eventually gravitate, it’s not where the doctor is from when he/she was growing up as a kid, that tends to dictate where that person ends up setting roots and starts practicing as an attending, like you logically might think. Studies have actually shown that it’s where the person matches for residency training, which dictates where the person finally ends up. According to the actual research done in this area, graduated residents often end up setting up and practicing within 100 miles of their residency (https://www.texmed.org/template.aspx?id=17267). Most residency training programs happen to be in academic medical centers with academic teaching faculty, which are found in major cities, not usually in rural areas.

There are states (don’t know if Ohio fits, as I haven’t looked it up) who if you add up the total number of 1st year residency slots, are less than the total number of graduating senior med students in that state to begin with. So already, the state will lose those physicians to other states for residency training. And that’s before you’ve even filtered it to only primary care spots, which would make that deficiency worse. If you go by the research, in terms of predicting the future and the odds of that person returning back, you’ve likely lost that practitioner in terms of coming back and benefitting your state. That’s why you have certain states which end up being exporters of doctors to other places: http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2015/08/11/to-address-doctor-shortages-some-states-focus-on-residencies. Like you said, it’s not rocket science, but it’s not common sense either in terms of prediction, as the research shows that it’s the residency matched into that has the greatest effect, beyond one’s childhood home town/city. Anyways, I’m done, I’m just saying that it’s not as simple or common sense as you think it might be, as med schools have tried, and often don’t have enough qualified total rural applicants to fill up a class alone.

@Roentgen,

Ohio has enough residency slots to retain the Ohioans here itself and there is no brain drain here but the fact is all these studies only show the picture at the state level and the months following the residency.

I have 11 Doctors (17 If you count DOs) in my family ( now you know why I am passionate about this as a high school junior) and 7 of them are from our generation and they tend to drift away for a couple of years as you and studies reflect, but their heart was where their home was and invariably all of them eventually ended up returning home and settling for something inferior but closer to heart,family and home.

I think we have beaten this issue to death and you have been a good sport. Thanks for your time and perspective on this. Since I have been obsessed with Neomed for a long time and when well qualified dear senior friends’ dreams get shattered by Neomed I thought I owe it to them to spread awareness about what is going on as for some it is their only hope to go to med school and serve our community.

Thanks again @Roentgen. Ciao!!!

@medschool0001 Please read the following link http://web.ysu.edu/contentm/easy_pages/view.php?page_id=243&sid=26 The BS/MD program is changing. At YSU it will be gone in a couple years and this BaccMed program will be replacing it. I think it addresses some of your concerns. Your friend should look at it as well. Perhaps it would be a path for your friend to NEOMED.