<p>lol Byerly, to tell you the truth, I only posted that because it was front page at the time</p>
<p>You can't deny that Chronicle is one of the best student newspapers for a college though, however much you don't like Duke (or like it either way)</p>
<p>btw, I do see why you find Duke interesting - it is the best school, besides Stanford, outside of the Northeast , and the best school surrounded by a region that is "Southern" culturally</p>
<p>There are many ways to look at these schools, and rankings based on who chose which school over another may not be the most important thing in the long run. As an example my wife is a managing director at one of the top NYC banks. What schools do they send a team to for presentations to recruit new associates? (there are slight differences between investment and corporate banking). And by the way our D goes to Duke (and she's not interested in finance).</p>
<p>Wharton undergrad
Harvard
Yale
Columbia
Duke
NYU
Cornell</p>
<p>Will they look at resumes from other schools? sure. But the majority of new hires come from the recruiting teams they send to those 7 schools. (this is undergraduate recruitment, MBA's are different). So Duke is in good company here. And most wouldn't put NYU in the same league as those other schools by some of these ranking techniques. Well, I can tell you that if your GPA is below 3.4 from Harvard, your resume gets tossed (I've seen it happen) so you are better off with a 4.0 from NYU than a 3.2 from Harvard when it comes to applying for this type of job. Georgetown... not recruited.. at least not at her institution. </p>
<p>And as far as graduate school admissions.... Duke has one of the highest percentages of students being admitted to Medical school and to one of their top three law school choices. Another stat that's more important in the long run.</p>
<p>Anyway just wanted to throw in a good word for Duke.
I'm a Cornell alum... typically considered the "bottom" of the ivies, along with Brown, so I'm used to hearing the "inferior to HYP talk"
That's what all that talk really is... a lot of HYPE!</p>
<p>Last week, the Wall Street Journal ranked Michigan's business school #1 . The article said that CEO's liked the Michigan grads because they were well prepared for the business world, humble, and team players. Maybe there are some attributes which are considered as valuable as "prestige".</p>
<p>Many people think those Wall Street Journal rankings are a joke. It is based, for the most part, on the views of small time recruiters, who are not invited to Harvard or Stanford (oooo! "arrogant"!) and who like to hire MBA's from 2nd tier schools who work cheap (ie, are "humble" and "team players.")!</p>
<p>"Many people..." sounds a lot like that wonderful logical fallacy, appeal to anonymous authority, unless there is perhaps something to back that up?</p>
<p>well, I dont think many can dispute the ranges that schools are in... Duke #4 or #7? I've heard some talk about putting schools in clusters as opposed to a linear ranking system. for example:
1) HYPSMC
2) DDCCCBP
3) and so on...</p>
<p>It seems to make sense, what is the point of debating which school is better overall, Stanford or MIT... both are amazing.</p>
<p>"The Journal's ranking of business schools ... is based on the opinions of 1,600 MBA recruiters. The schools themselves supplied the names of its recruiters to the newspaper. Each recruiter was asked to rate as many as three schools and was instructed to rate only schools with which he or she had recruiting experience in the previous two years. Under the rules, recruiters who were also alumni of the school at which they recruited were permitted to rate their own alma mater.</p>
<p>The Journal's methodology produced results that are sure to be much discussed and questioned. Traditional powerhouse business schools such as Wharton (18), Columbia (34), Duke (44) and Stanford (45) were significantly outranked by lesser-known business schools such as Purdue (6), Southern Methodist University (9), Wake Forest (11), and Michigan State (12).</p>
<p>In general, schools from the Western States did less well than others in the Journal's ranking, which has also been true of Business Week's survey that is based in part on a smaller survey of recruiters.</p>
<p>"The top school in the Journal's ranking was Dartmouth's Tuck School, followed by Carnegie Mellon, Yale, Michigan, and Northwestern/Kellogg.</p>
<p>The editor of the special Journal section, Ron Alsop, told a group of business school deans in New York last week "there are a lot of surprises in the Journal's rankings." Alsop spoke at an annual conference of business schools....</p>
<p>"The results of the Wall Street Journal's survey are clearly controversial, underscoring the need to think deeply about each ranking and what it purports to measure," said Richard Kurovsky, executive director of marketing and communications at the Haas School. "With the continuing proliferation of new rankings, schools that do well in one ranking now find themselves doing less well in the next, forcing everyone to sort out what it all means. This may ultimately be a very good thing for the consumers of rankings."</p>
<p>Even I'd agree with Byerly. The WSJ MBA rankings are pretty messed up. The best business schools are not neccessarily the ones that are most recruiter-friendly from the recruiter's perspective.</p>
<p>With regard to the legitimate employment and salary expectations for the graduates of various MBA programs, the quirky WSJ rankings come close to standing the "real" rankings on their head. </p>
<p>Just think how amusing it would be if there were similar rankings for law schools and medical schools, where the graduates were rated according to the degree of their willingness to work cheap!</p>
<p>Just curious, Byerly -- what is (was) your major, and if you're a Harvard alum, what are you doing now?</p>
<p>I think the Michigan business grads in the "lame" WSJ rankings are probably working and don't have time to post in threads like this.</p>
<p>You'd be surprised at what people find time to do during work. :)</p>
<p>Seriously though, I'm not saying Ross isn't a top b-school. It's just that I can't help but be skeptical of a ranking that continuously has HBS and the Stanford GSB outside the top ten when they are widely-considered to be among the top four MBA programs in the country.</p>