<p>Dated November 1, 2011. </p>
<p>Entering freshman this year can do the new IUB gen ed requirement plus six credits of upper level COAS classes to fulfill all their Kelley gen ed requirements. </p>
<p>The astounding part applies to pre-June 2011 enrollees. They can choose between doing the old requirements or doing the current watered down requirements!!!!</p>
<p>No, that’s not correct. This year’s freshman must follow the new requirements. Those who entered in fall of 2010 can either keep the old requirements or switch over completely to the new ones.</p>
<p>Thanks Marmala, I changed my post. The change is so unbelievable that it took more than a few readings to grasp it. I’m guessing my senior son took at least twelve credits worth of liberal art classes that he does not even need to graduate.</p>
<p>Them getting rid of the 62 hour requirement means if I get into Kelley Honors, I will be taking useless classes the spring of my sophomore year. I’m going to run out of I-core pre-reqs and be done with my gen-ed’s. I didn’t come in with a lot of credits either.</p>
<p>If you take the new bulletin at face value, this is all the credits you need to take from COAS, other than the Kelley requirements taught in COAS like micro and macro, finite, calculus, W143, etc:</p>
<p>two A&H classes, 6 credits for the “Kelley Upper Level General Education Requirement”, six credits for the world cultures or language or international experience; and three credits for the Breadth of Inquiry: Natural & Mathematical Sciences. </p>
<p>That is 21 credits.</p>
<p>Then reduce that 21 to 15 credits if you take two A&H classes that double-count for the world culture requirement, which a lot of posters here probably rightly did this Fall.</p>
<p>So total 15 credits from COAS that are not also Kelley requirements. </p>
<p>I don’t know how this can be reconciled with the AACSB’s “principle that a significant portion of a student’s academic program should be in general education subjects.” </p>
<p>The requirements are written down now, so that is huge.</p>
<p>There are also upper level A&H’s that count for breadth of inquiry and world cultures. They would also fulfill your Kelley upper level requirements. So you could theoretically fulfill your GE’s with 9 hours.</p>
<p><a href=“http://college.indiana.edu/undergrad/BreadthOfInquiry.pdf[/url]”>http://college.indiana.edu/undergrad/BreadthOfInquiry.pdf</a></p>
<p>So there are classes that “triple-count” for the already watered-down gen ed requirement? </p>
<p>Thanks for the list. That is the first time I have seen 300+ level COAS courses classified at all.</p>
<p>No, there are no classes that “triple count” under the new requirements. None that I can see. On the separate lists for A/H, S/H, and World Cultures, you’ll see that there are not any upper level courses on the lists. (These are different lists than what you’re referring to.) So you could find a course that meets A/H and World Culture, but it would not also be an upper level course. That would have to be a separate course.</p>
<p>Your probably right, but it’s weird because this website (<a href=“http://gened.iub.edu/courses/art_humanitiescourses.html[/url]”>http://gened.iub.edu/courses/art_humanitiescourses.html</a>) only lists the lower level courses. </p>
<p>But if you go to the course page, it says it does count for the breadth of inquiry. They don’t count though for the WC, so it would still take 15 credits. </p>
<p>For example: <a href=“http://registrar.indiana.edu/scheduleoclasses/prl/soc4122/JSTU/JSTU-L385.html[/url]”>http://registrar.indiana.edu/scheduleoclasses/prl/soc4122/JSTU/JSTU-L385.html</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://registrar.indiana.edu/scheduleoclasses/prl/soc4122/EALC/EALC-E300.html[/url]”>http://registrar.indiana.edu/scheduleoclasses/prl/soc4122/EALC/EALC-E300.html</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://registrar.indiana.edu/scheduleoclasses/prl/soc4122/EALC/EALC-E374.html[/url]”>http://registrar.indiana.edu/scheduleoclasses/prl/soc4122/EALC/EALC-E374.html</a></p>
<p>It’s all very confusing. One should not have to spend hours trying to make sense of the requirements.</p>
<p>If it isn’t listed on the new separate list of approved World Cultures courses, then you shouldn’t take it for a WC requirement. At least there are plenty of courses that count double duty which you can easily find by cross referencing the different lists.</p>
<p>I don’t see why this single class would not fit into these three requirements: It is 300-level, A&H, and Culture Studies credit.</p>
<p>Kelley Upper Level General Education Requirement
A&H
World cultures</p>
<p>AAAD-A 380 CONTEMP BLACK AMER WRITING (3 CR)
23344 PERM 09:30A-10:45A MW KH 203 McElroy F<br>
Above class COLL Intensive Writing section
Above class requires permission. Please call 812-855-6270 for
permission
Above class meets with AAAD-A 580
COLL (CASE) A&H Breadth of Inquiry credit
COLL (CASE) Culture Studies credit</p>
<p>It is unbelievable that the gen ed website mentions needing “World Cultures” classes; but you won’t find a single mention of the term “World Cultures” in the printed schedules, only the term “Culture Studies credit.” And that term here is listed with a 300-level A&H class, just as that term is listed with many one- and two-hundred level classes that have “Culture Studies credit.” </p>
<p>There are many 300+ level classes that are A&H and Culture Studies credit. So why not triple count them?</p>
<p>Thats what confused me but I think the CASE world cultures eligible classes are different than the kelley ones.</p>
<p>But the new Kelley bulletin does not even mention CASE or world cultures, and there is no mention of the international dimension, either, so I don’t see how Kelley can have their own list. The Kelley bulletin on page 13 just refers to the IUB gen ed requirements.</p>
<p>The only gen ed requirement, per the bulletin, that is unique to Kelley appears to be the “Kelley Upper Level General Education Requirement”. The other gen ed requirement listed in the Kelley bulletin is the “IUB general Education Curriculum.”</p>
<p>It looks to me like COAS came up with their own list and it allows 300 level classes, but the IUB Gened, which is what Kelley uses only has lower levels. </p>
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<p>If you go to this class it says it carries “IUB GenEd WC credit” and it also says it carries “COLL (CASE) Culture Studies credit”.</p>
<p>The Kelley website says “Students on the 2011 degree will complete the IU Gen Ed World Languages and Cultures requirement” [International</a> Dimension Requirement: Degree Requirements: Academics: Undergraduate Program: Kelley School of Business: Indiana University Bloomington](<a href=“Undergraduate | Bachelor's Degree in Business | Indiana Kelley”>Undergraduate | Bachelor's Degree in Business | Indiana Kelley)</p>
<p>I take that to mean there are two different lists and the one Kelley uses only has lower level classes. </p>
<p>[World</a> Cultures : Academic Bulletin](<a href=“Indiana University”>Indiana University)</p>
<p>It is all so confusing. I can’t believe it was in the works for four or five years, and still there was no Kelley bulletin for 2011 matriculators to consult until Nov. 1, 2011.</p>
<p>Also, the international dimension page you posted says “Students who matriculated to IU Bloomington prior to Summer 2011 are on the 1996 Kelley degree requirements and should refer to the 2010-2011 Kelley Academic Bulletin for an explanation of their International Dimension Requirement.”</p>
<p>But the new bulletin states that the older matriculators have the option to switch to the 2011 Kelley degree, which doesn’t even have an international dimension.</p>
<p>Shouldn’t the option to switch be referenced on the international dimension page?</p>
<p>It should be but that would make things too clear. I agree that this was a very poorly rolled out process.</p>