New Sat Score-- Please Help

<p>Stats:
Junior Black Female in NYC Public School
SAT:M 600 W 600 CR 500
SAT II: Taking Math II in JUne
AP English and US History in May
GPA: 92</p>

<p>Curriculum:
9th-Honors Geometry, Honors Biology, Global, Spanish 3,4, English, Art
10th-Honors Algebra, Honors Chemistry, Global, Spanish 5,6, English
11th-AP US History, Honors English, Physics, Math B, College Business Course, Medical Lab
12th- WILL BE AP Calc AB, AP Biology, English....</p>

<p>ECs:
Altar Server (9,10,11)
School Step Team (10,11)
Church Youth Group (9,10,
Church Sunday School Assistant (9,10,11)
Church Choir (11)
History trip to Paris (10)
S-prep courses (chemistry) at Columbia University (10)
Volunteer in Dean's office at school (10,11)
Gateway Institute for Pre-College Education (9,10,11)
Dance Commitee(11)
Worked in Pediatric Ward at hospital (9)
American Chemical Society Project seed (10& 11) (research lab)
Fashion Model
NAACP Act-SO Competition</p>

<p>Leadership:
Leader of Step Team in Fall</p>

<p>Awards:
Student of the month_Social Studies
Perfect attendance
Second Award and NAACP award at NYC Science and Engineering Fair</p>

<p>My D is a junior at public high school and I'm not too familar with the admissions process.</p>

<p>She wants to be a bio or chem major and minor in film. school. She wants a diverse campus. . Can you give me some pointers on what schools to choose on east coast. She is six feet tall but doesn't play basketball. If thats what it takes to get into a top school, she'll have to practice her jumpshot (j/k). She can't play basketball because she has scoliosis of the back.</p>

<p>Colleges
SUNY Stonybrook
Penn State
Williams
Wesleyan
University of Rochester
NYU</p>

<p>Reach
Upenn</p>

<p>Upenn,
Ok, now the stats are there, but you're missing a terribly important part--what does she want in a school?? Your list is "all over the map" in terms of size, style, location and focus. I wouldn't put too much emphasis on minors--many LAC's don't have such a thing, you just take extra classes in your interest. Once you're past the college years, "minors" don't mean much unless it's a marketable skill that is useful to the major. An obvious example would be international business + foreign language. For science majors, one non-research tack would be science writing, which would be bio or chem + journalism/English.
Hope this helps...</p>

<p>i'm not sure the stats are there for penn, a 1700 is below the 25% mark, again, going back to the 1600 scale... if it were a 1900-2000, it'd be a lot closer</p>

<p>Paul, Your daughter has excellent grades, a decent curriculum, and some interesting extracurriculars. </p>

<p>However, I tend to be cautious with African American female applicants as they are more common in college admissions than african american males and thus do not seem to get as much of a boost as their male counter parts from their under represented minority status. Females in general - whether black or white - tend to be in over supply in college admissions, and thus often have higher stats than the overall median stats of a particular college or university might suggest. To be on the safe side, I would say that black females need to be at least close to the bottom 25 percentile of test scores.</p>

<p>This is is just my opinion, but I would put Williams and Wesleyan in the same category as U of Penn for just this reason. Your daughter's test scores don't even come close for Williams (25% verbal is 660, 25% math is 630) or Wesleyan's (25% 660V, 650 M) 25th percentile. Now, this doesn't mean she won't have a chance, just that these schools, with their very low acceptance rates, should probably go in the "reach" category, not the match category.</p>

<p>NYU is, in my opinion, a reach as well. They get plenty of minority applicants and thus tend to be more numbers driven and less likely to give real preference for URMs who fall outside of their 25-75 percentiles. Plus, even if she were accepted into the liberal arts school, getting into film classes there for general students is difficult for those not actually enrolled in the film program.</p>

<p>The University of Rochester does seem to give some admissions boost to URMs. Even though her test scores there are still not in the 25 percentile, I'd say it would be safe to consider Rochester a possible match.</p>

<p>I think SUNY Stony Brook would also be a definite match, perhaps even a safety, even without consideration of her URM status. I don't have the numbers for out of state applicants to Penn State, so I can't make any predictions there.</p>

<p>So, looks like your daughter has a good list of reaches, but probably needs some additional matches and safeties. </p>

<p>Syracuse University would be a good solid match for her. They have a strong science program, a diverse student body, and a great communications school. However, as with NYU, taking classes in the communications school can be difficult if you are not actually enrolled in the school, so double check on the possibility of a double major. </p>

<p>Ithaca College might also be worth looking into as a match/safety. They have a strong film/communications program and decent science programs, with the opportunity to cross-register for some classes at Cornell.</p>

<p>SUNY Binghamton would be worth considering due to her great GPA. </p>

<p>The University of Delaware would be a match/safety for her, even as an out of state student, and, of course, has an incredibly strong chemistry program.</p>

<p>The University of Maryland-Baltimore County is worth a strong look. They have are very strong in the sciences and have a special minorities in the science program that mentors URM students. I would say it is most like a match/safety for her. Studnts there are also able to enroll for up to one course per semester at other schools in the Baltimore area, including Johns Hopkins, Goucher and Towson State (the last two have good communications/film programs).</p>

<p>Goucher and Towson STate might be worth a look on their own as well. Goucher is a beautiful LAC that is working hard to build its diversity. It has a very, very good chem/bio/pre med program for an LAC.</p>

<p>Bard College in NY has a fairly large percentage of URM students as LACs go and might be a match for her. They have a good film major and are trying to attract science students. Wheaton in Mass. would be another good possibility.</p>

<p>Finally, I'd suggest you check out some SAT optional schools that don't look at SAT scores in the admissions process. There are actually many great schools, including Bard, Wheaton Bowdoin, Colby, Dickinson and Muhlenberg, that don't require SATs in the admissions process, and instead focus on grades, EC's, character, and other factors like minority status. You can find a complete list of SAT optional schools at <a href="http://www.fairtest.org%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.fairtest.org&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p>

<p>I agree with Carolyn about Williams and Wesleyan...they should be considered big reaches for your D (lottery reaches).</p>

<p>Actually, NYU seems like a reach/match....especially since she is from NYC.</p>

<p>Carolyn, wouldn't the schools on your "no SAT" list also be reaches for this young lady? Bowdoing, Dickinson? Even without the SATs....</p>

<p>The ECs, while interesting, aren't demonstrative of leadership (beyond the step team lead)</p>

<p>Paula, is this her first crack at the SAT? If so, I would encourage her to prep and try to get those scores up. </p>

<p>Seems that she likes some of the urban schools. Has she considered GWU?</p>

<p>In addition, NYU is not known for being generous with financial aid. I have seen students posting here that have had need-based financial aid packages that include loans of $20,000 a year. That's a horrendous amount of debt for virtually all students to carry after graduation.</p>

<p>Momsdream, She has a 92 average in a college prep curriculum. Schools that weight the SAT heavily in admissions, are going to look at her grades and compare the scores and wonder how rigorous her high school curriculum really is. But, at the SAT optional schools, she'll be evaluated more strongly on other factors, including grades, recommendations, essays, and EC's. Bowdoin might still be a reach, but schools like Dickinson, Bard and Muhlenberg are definite possiblities with those grades. Dickinson, in particular, would be very interested in this girl in my opinion. Unfortunately you'd need to be blind to call Dickinson diverse. :) </p>

<p>.I do agree with you that nothing really jumps out on her extracurriculars, but there might be more there than we can see from a brief list. If properly presented and developed, her EC's shouldn't hold her back.</p>

<p>Northstarmom, I agree with you about NYU. It, along with Boston U, are the two schools where I hear the most disappointment with financial aid packages expressed.</p>

<p>Momsdream, GWU and American might actually be very good choices. If she'd be open to an HBCU, Howard would be an EXCELLENT choice for her, strong both in pre-med and communications.</p>

<p>I also want to add that I think Wyogal's advice is important: I would try to pin down more of what she is looking for in a school and then develop a list accordingly. A list with both Williams and NYU on it tells me that she needs to think more about whether she would be happier at a small, rural LAC or a larger urban campus, or perhaps something in between. Narrowing that down, as Wyogal suggests, would make filling in her list easier and more effective.</p>

<p>I am going to second Carolyn's suggestion that you look at U of Maryland-Baltimore County. I too am I NY parent. I got the brochure for UMBC at a Long Island College Fair. I was very impressed with it but as my d is not a science/math kid, we though Towson would be a better match. PaulChem- I also spoke to you before on other threads. I am again going to recommend U of R.- Ithaca, Syracuse and of course Stony Brook. And again I will suggest your d take the ACT. When we converted the ACT to an SAT score, my d scored 90 points higher on the ACT. (and that was when she hardly studied for the ACT as she did not expect to take it in April). So for some kids, there is a big difference in scores.</p>

<p>U of Maryland-Baltimore county is probably the very best university in the country for students like your daughter. It is a mainstream university that has done an exceptional job in getting smart, hard working black students on track for top science careers. </p>

<p>Here's an article providing an example:</p>

<p>"Mike Bowler</p>

<p>------------------------------------------------------------------------IT WAS 13 YEARS between interviews with Melanie Smith.</p>

<p>The first time, she was a shy 17-year-old, the 1991 valedictorian at Baltimore's Western High School.</p>

<p>Clearly, she was going places. She had already won $5,000 at an international science fair. Freeman A. Hrabowski III, then executive vice president of the University of Maryland, Baltimore County, and Del. Howard P. Rawlings had persuaded Smith to enter "M-3," the third class of a new program designed to attract African-Americans to the study of science, mathematics and engineering at UMBC.</p>

<p>Named for its benefactors, Baltimore philanthropists Robert and Jane Meyerhoff, the Meyerhoff Scholarship program was shattering stereotypes. Smith was the product of a Baltimore high school, of a working-class, single-parent family in the heart of the city. To some in her teenage circle, it wasn't cool to be smart.</p>

<p>I interviewed Smith a second time the other day. She has gone amazing places, but she's still a student. This summer, she began a four-year residency in obstetrics and gynecology at Harvard-affiliated Brigham and Women's Hospital, having graduated in the spring with combined medical and doctorate degrees from the University of Maryland, Baltimore...." <a href="http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/education/bal-md.edbeat08aug08001800,1,7555093.column?coll=bal-education-storyutil%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/education/bal-md.edbeat08aug08001800,1,7555093.column?coll=bal-education-storyutil&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>ok Thanks for the info. I was looking into U of Maryland it seems like a good school. She is taking the ACT in June but as a standby ($80). My Daughter went on the website and did some practice questions and she laughed at them. She said it was really easy. She has three weeks to prepare for it.</p>

<p>Paul Chem, Like the SUNY system, the U of Maryland has many different campuses. The College Park campus is highly competitive for out of state students. The campus I and NorthstarMom are talking about is the University of Maryland Baltimore County campus, an entirely different school from what is typically referred to as "the University of Maryland." Make sure you are checking out the right school. The program you want to pay close attention to at UMBC is the Meyerhoff scholars program for minority science students - here's a direct link: <a href="http://www.umbc.edu/meyerhoff/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.umbc.edu/meyerhoff/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Good luck to your daughter on the ACT!</p>