Newsday: Paying high prices to bear the college burden

<p>Long Island's Newsday article hits on the admissions angst related to paying for college and advocates using negotiation, pitting one admittance offer against another, as a good strategy to avoid hitting the panic button when it comes to closing the college deal: </p>

<p>"Sitting at her computer in Northport, Valerie Rowe entered her family's 2006 income and savings into an online version of a federal financial aid form. The computer spat back a number -- the Expected Family Contribution they'd need to put their daughter through college.</p>

<p>Rowe sighed. Somehow, she and her husband, Randy, would have to fill a gap as large as $90,000 during the next four years.</p>

<p>"Maybe we should find a place that buys kidneys," Randy said.</p>

<p>"We're going to be paying for this until the day we die," Valerie said. She wasn't joking.</p>

<p>As parents on Long Island and across the nation settle in this month with the 99-question form known as the Free Application for Federal Student Aid, they face a cumbersome process to pay the ever-increasing cost of college. In this phase of the months-long college-selection marathon, the pressure shifts from the students to the parents.</p>

<p>There's never been more aid available for families -- $152 billion from the government and private sources. Yet it's often not enough. For the past two decades, tuition at public and private colleges has been rising twice as fast as the the cost of living. The numbers are dramatic: Tuition, room and board for a year at Duke is $33,000, Northwestern $44,000 and Wesleyan $45,000 -- plus thousands more for books and extras. Thirty years ago, tuition room and board cost $2,465 at Stony Brook University. Now, it's $14,826.</p>

<p>Popularity of loans</p>

<p>Huge loans are a must for many families that choose private colleges. Last year, Congress raised interest rates on federally guaranteed education loans by 1.5 percentage points, meaning a $20,000 loan will cost $1,800 more to repay during 10 years. More than 60 percent of all students get some kind of aid. The typical financial aid package is nearly 60 percent loans, 40 percent grants.</p>

<p>The burden is especially heavy on Long Island and other expensive areas. The government's formula for determining financial aid, used by many of the nation's 2,533 colleges, factors income but does not account for the costs of housing, energy, insurance or sales and property taxes. Even considering many Long Islanders' spending choices, family income and costs are far higher here.</p>

<p>"We get clobbered on Long Island," Jacquelyn Nealon, vice president of enrollment services at the New York Institute of Technology, said earlier this month as a sea of heads nodded in agreement at a seminar in Dix Hills. "A family of four making $150,000 or even $80,000 is doing well in Iowa, Kentucky or Nebraska, but not here."</p>

<p>Colleges' soaring costs are driven by the urge to update wireless communication, laboratory equipment and health services even as state support lags behind inflation. To impress today's more brand-conscious students, private campuses in particular have poured resources into an academic arms race. "Schools are being compelled to spend more on student services, small class sizes, student centers, science centers and technology," said David Zimmerman, director of the Williams College Project on the Economics of Higher Education. Administrators' focus on helping the poorest kids has resulted in a middle-class squeeze: They are neither poor enough to qualify for some aid nor rich enough to pay the bills on their own.</p>

<p>Randy and Valerie Rowe's daughter, Liana, a senior at Northport High School, dreams of a career on stage. She hasn't found a drama program she likes at a SUNY campus, so the Rowes are looking at pricier private campuses. Liana echoes the frustration of many: "It's harder to get into a good college if you're from Long Island, and if you do get in, you can't afford it."</p>

<p>In the 1970s, Valerie Rowe lived with her parents in Bayside, Queens, and took three subways and a bus to Hunter College, part of the tuition-free City University of New York. The sheer expense of college and the rising expectations of Long Islanders, however, have wiped away the comparatively quaint world in which she and her generation went to college.</p>

<p>Merit aid arrives on scene</p>

<p>One of the big changes is the emergence of "merit aid," special packages of cash and academic-program placements tailored for the most coveted high-achievers. In 2005, nearly 8 percent of undergraduates received merit aid from colleges eager to burnish reputations.</p>

<p>And in an era when people are accustomed to scouring Internet sites for discounts, they are less willing to pay the standard tuition rate. "Parents have learned to be much bolder about asking for more financial aid, and if colleges really want a student, they'll often help," said Steve Goodman, an independent college adviser who works with many Long Island students from offices in Manhattan and Washington, D.C.</p>

<p>Last spring, Goodman helped a family negotiate with two colleges that had accepted their son. After the student stressed his interest in Tufts, the college increased its grants slightly, from $2,000 to $2,500. When the student talked to Colgate, its grant offer doubled -- from $5,000 to $10,000. He enrolled.</p>

<p>Last spring, Goodman helped a family negotiate with two colleges that had accepted their son. After the student stressed his interest in Tufts, the college increased its grants slightly, from $2,000 to $2,500. When the student talked to Colgate, its grant offer doubled -- from $5,000 to $10,000. He enrolled.</p>

<p>The news about government aid has been bleak for middle-class families for several years, but is starting to improve. While shrinking the pool of money for loans by nearly $13 billion last year to reduce the federal deficit, Congress also created grants for low-income students interested in studying math or science. Earlier this month, the Democrat-led House proposed cutting interest rates in half for some loans.</p>

<p>For every Long Island family like the Rowes, who own a home and have some savings, someone's just getting by. With a combined income of $35,000 from working on a farm and cleaning houses, Marcelino and Jauquina Rojano of Bridgehampton have held on to very little. Their oldest child, Matthew, has applied to five SUNY schools, and the other night Marcelino and Jauquina joined him at a financial aid seminar at Bridgehampton Elementary and High School. The guest speaker, who was sponsored by Bank of America, rattled off a mishmash about loans and grants: Pells, Perkins, PLUS, Staffords and Coverdales.</p>

<p>"You can consider converting assets like stocks and bonds and real estate, and you can refinance your house," said the speaker, Kendall Clark.</p>

<p>The Rojanos stared straight ahead. They don't own stocks, and they live in a rented trailer. Their most valuable assets are two Chevy pickups. Since arriving from Mexico nearly 20 years ago, they've paid their credit card bills on time to earn an excellent credit rating, and they're planning on taking out loans (as will Matthew).</p>

<p>"In life, you pay for everything," Marcelino Rojano said, "and we're going to do whatever it takes to get Matthew through college."</p>

<p>Seventy miles west, in Merrick, college financial planner Barry Fox sees the same signs of angst among the middle class. At a recent workshop for Nassau County families, a father noted that the federal government forgives PLUS loans to parents if they die: "What happens," he asked, "if I borrow the money for four years, then kill myself?"</p>

<p>The roots of financial aid go back to the GI Bill in 1944, which helped veterans go to college. Fox traces aid programs' expansion to 1957, when the Soviet Union launched Sputnik and the United States decided to ramp up science education. Within a year, the government created programs for lower-income students. In the 1960s, President Lyndon Johnson's Great Society initiative made even more loans and grants available to the poor. By the 1990s, the government had expanded aid to the middle class. What was a $190 million government program in 1963 grew to $94 billion by last year.</p>

<p>"Merit aid" started in the 1990s. Striving campuses such as Vanderbilt, Rice and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill are even offering full rides to entice the best and brightest. But such programs aren't usually geared for would-be drama majors like Liana Rowe. Her parents also aren't rich enough to pay cash or poor enough to get need-based scholarships.</p>

<p>Shrewd investors</p>

<p>The Rowes lived in a Bayside apartment until four years ago. They had invested their money in a $105,000 handyman's special in Springs, then spent weekends fixing it up. They sold it for five times as much and bought a fixer-upper in Northport, where they liked the high school's performing-arts curriculum.</p>

<p>Valerie teaches East Meadow middle school students about finances. She shows them how to balance a checkbook, pay rent and learn responsibility. She uses the same lessons at home: By studying at night and weekends, she earned a master's degree, and now earns $88,000. She makes another $20,000 teaching in the summer. Randy is a retired sheet metal worker with a Teamster's pension who sells handicrafts at fairs.</p>

<p>Walking around her house, which has a playroom, heated porch and a living room with a fireplace, Valerie said, "We're all spoiled. We want what our parents didn't have."</p>

<p>With combined earnings of $140,000, Valerie and Randy figured they'd be well-to-do suburbanites. But they took out a home equity loan to make repairs, so their monthly mortgage is $3,700. By the time they pay the electricity, gas, insurance and taxes then tuck away something for emergencies, there's little left over.</p>

<p>They furnished their house at tag sales, and any extra money goes for theater tickets for Liana, the aspiring actress, and science kits for their son Ian, certainly one of the few 8-year-olds who started this year by writing to NASA for a job.</p>

<p>Just when they think they've controlled expenses, something comes up. Recently, Liana needed $8,000 worth of braces not covered by insurance. Valerie gestured toward her son. "Look at that Jay Leno chin. We're going to be paying $8,000 more for orthodontia."</p>

<p>Liana, who has a 97 average, has applied to drama programs at the University of Hartford and other colleges where fees, room and board add up $40,000 a year. Valerie Rowe was quietly ecstatic last month when Liana declared that she loved Montclair State in New Jersey. For out-of-state students, it's a relative bargain -- $22,000 a year.</p>

<p>Ginny and Tom Lynch have a twin son and daughter who are seniors at Lynbrook High and a daughter who is a sophomore, and they have tried to do everything right when it comes to saving for college.</p>

<p>Still, they're bracing for a financial jolt.</p>

<p>Here's what they did: Tom, an accountant, signed up for New York's 529 College Savings Program as soon as it became available nine years ago. He deposited money every pay period, to the maximum $10,000 a year allowed for a state tax deduction for a couple. He also put some money in mutual funds.</p>

<p>The Lynches always have assumed that they and the kids will take out loans. They've tried to economize wherever they could: When they wanted to remodel their kitchen, they did it themselves.</p>

<p>Tom went to college at St. John's University while working a full-time job as a baggage handler and cook for TWA. The way he sees it, he sacrificed so that his children can take advantage of everything at college: sports, evening lectures, friends. The Lynch family spends a lot of time talking about education. Tom is a member of the Lynbrook school board and Ginny is the PTA president.</p>

<p>And here's the jolt: While an older son went to Nassau Community College, their three remaining kids are interested in private colleges. So, the Lynches will be paying roughly $100,000 a year for the next two years, then $150,000 a year for a couple of years when their other daughter starts.</p>

<p>Caroline, known as Carly, is intrigued by Middlebury while Jason, who goes by Jay, favors Colorado College -- two of the most expensive in the country. Neither offers much merit aid. By the time their youngest daughter is done, that means the Lynches will pay $600,000 for college over the next six years. They estimate they'll still have a gap of as much as $350,000. They'll close some of that with loans, and they expect their children to work part-time and to borrow money themselves.</p>

<p>Said Ginny Lynch: "We're trying not to panic."</p>

<p>David Braverman, a father of four in Setauket, spends a lot of time helping parents move from panicking to planning.</p>

<p>He came across all kinds of little-known grants while researching "The Standard & Poor's Guide to Saving and Investing for College." Southern and Midwestern colleges, looking for geographic diversity, are using merit aid to land Long Island's top students. The same is true of single-sex colleges, which worry about being passed over by academic stars. Smith College in Massachusetts gave his daughter Stacy a $14,000-per-year scholarship based on her top grades and test scores at Ward Melville High School.</p>

<p>Braverman keeps track of college endowments to see which schools can afford to pay for talent. Fifty-four American colleges have endowments of more than $1 billion. One of those is Rice, in Houston. When Braverman's second daughter, Jennifer, showed interest in Rice, she was wooed with a $12,000 per-year scholarship because she was a semifinalist in the Intel science contest.</p>

<p>Financial woes</p>

<p>Not everyone is lucky enough to be courted by an admissions office. After graduating from Oyster Bay High last spring, Ceallaigh Watts went to the University of North Carolina at Charlotte to become a teacher. Watts, 19, says she filled out the federal financial aid form incorrectly and ended up getting less aid than she qualified for. She added that her parents, who are deaf, have limited incomes, so the family can't draw on vast savings. She left college last month because she couldn't afford the $20,000 tuition and thousands more for food and books.</p>

<p>She's back in Oyster Bay, working two jobs waiting tables and working in an ice cream shop while getting ready to study at Nassau Community College this semester. "I'm doing my best to go back to Charlotte in the fall," she said.</p>

<p>In Northport, the Rowes know they have a fallback: Liana could live at home and go to Stony Brook or another local college like her mother did. Still, they will take loans and refinance the house if Liana gets into her dream college. Valerie will double her teaching load this summer to earn extra money. Liana's prepared to take out loans.</p>

<p>"I want Liana to have a sense of autonomy," Valerie said. "Besides, when no one is doing her laundry, I want her to realize how good we are to her."</p>

<p>In nine years, their son heads to college. The Rowes don't want to be burdened with more debt, so they have settled on a better plan. They're going to sell the house."</p>

<p><a href="http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-liques1028,0,1251128.story?page=2&coll=ny-main-bigpix%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-liques1028,0,1251128.story?page=2&coll=ny-main-bigpix&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I actually stopped reading the article when I got to the part where it said Duke costs 33,000. I was surprised when I read that, because I hadn't heard it was so much less than other uber-select colleges. Well, of course, it took two seconds to find that it's actually more than 44,000.</p>

<p>YOu'd think these reporters would do the minimal fact checking necessary to get a little accuracy into their articles--it throws into question everything else they say when they don't.</p>

<p>An interesting article. But I have to say my reaction to the not well to do families whose kids want to go to high priced private schools is - for goodness sakes talk to your kids about what you can afford. Not everyone has to go to a $44,000 a year school. We certainly can not afford that and also have no intention of going $200,000 into debt. My son it was a case of trying to get him interested in going anywhere so it was not an issue. My daughter is the opposite and started off thinking Hawaii, New York (ok she was a sophomore and was thinking location rather than education) but we took the opportunity to sit her down early and tell her the financial realities. Told her what we can afford & that if she wanted to go somewhere outside of that range she would have to find a way to pay the difference. You know what - she was fine with it. She is is happy with the State U she is going to attend, has worked hard to get some scholarships, is willing to work summers and work study for personal money and to pay the extra for the nicer dorm she wanted. And we can manage the rest with what we have saved and some reasonable loans. </p>

<p>The key is talk to them early in the game. Don't wait till they are seniors getting into that 'dream school' then tell them you can't afford it. I love my kids dearly - but I do not think that means I need to go into crippling debt for the rest of my life to send them to a school I can't afford. And to give my kids the credit due to them - they do not expect it.</p>

<p>Some other errors: merit aid was not invented in the 1990s. I got merit aid from both undergrad colleges I attended in the 70s.</p>

<p>And the family with the three kids in school at once; they won't be paying 100 or 150K per year unless they have an EFC higher than that. Which sounds unlikely.</p>

<p>I wish the writer knew more about the subject than s/he seems to.</p>

<p>The article does note one interesting point though and that is the difference in the cost of living on LI vs Iowa. Because our efc was $83,000 and I didn't spent too much time plugging in the numbers, I was wondering if the fafsa does anything to adjust for COL differences and things like local/state/property taxes?</p>

<p>The FAFSA does account for state taxes in its formula. If you go to finaid.org and try running the same numbers for different states you will see the difference; try running Texas (which has no state income tax) and compare that with a state with a high tax rate.</p>

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Randy and Valerie Rowe's daughter, Liana, a senior at Northport High School, dreams of a career on stage. She hasn't found a drama program she likes at a SUNY campus, so the Rowes are looking at pricier private campuses. Liana echoes the frustration of many: "It's harder to get into a good college if you're from Long Island, and if you do get in, you can't afford it."

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<p>Am I missing something? Why does this kid think that being from Long Island makes it harder to get into a good college? And as far as being unable to afford it because you live on Long Island? Sorry. I'm not feeling sympathetic to her plight.

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With combined earnings of $140,000, Valerie and Randy figured they'd be well-to-do suburbanites. But they took out a home equity loan to make repairs, so their monthly mortgage is $3,700. By the time they pay the electricity, gas, insurance and taxes then tuck away something for emergencies, there's little left over.

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<p>Valerie is a teacher. Making $108,000 per year!!! I understand that the cost of living on Long Island is higher than in Kentucky where I live, and which was a place mentioned in the article. (My uncle and his family live on Long Island, so I am familiar with the costs.) My husband retired from teaching in KY 5 years ago and in his highest grossing year only earned a fraction of Valerie's salary. He too taught in the summers. I'd say that a $108,000 salary for teaching in Long Island is probably comparable to what teachers in KY earn, considering the cost of living. With Randy's and Valerie's combined $140,000 a mortgage of $3700 a month doesn't sound too unreasonable to me. I do not know what their take home pay is, but they are grossing nearly $11,700 per month. Subtracting their mortgage, that still leaves $8000!</p>

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Liana, who has a 97 average, has applied to drama programs at the University of Hartford and other colleges where fees, room and board add up $40,000 a year. Valerie Rowe was quietly ecstatic last month when Liana declared that she loved Montclair State in New Jersey. For out-of-state students, it's a relative bargain -- $22,000 a year.

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<p>At last! A sign that Valerie is beginning to come to her senses. There's nothing wrong with telling your child that some schools are not in the family budget. My D is a musical theatre major - the same field Liana aspires to. She was quite aware that there were some big name MT schools that would simply not be within our means unless she were to get extremely large scholarships. For example, D absolutely loved the University of Michigan. Out-of-state tuition the year she was a freshman was around $28,000. And, of course, one also has to cough up room and board. U.M. offers very little financial aid to out-of-state students and the musical theatre dept. usually only offers 3 scholarships. Those scholarships typically go to males or minority students because they are the students that are in short supply in MT. We were very glad that our D found a top 10 program that she loved with a more reasonable price tag. </p>

<p>In the 4 years I've been reading CC, I have seen poster after poster gripe about how unfair it is that their EFC is so high. They complain that they have worked and saved and are now being punished by the government because they have the misfortune to live in an area with a high cost of living. Some posters complain that the government just doesn't understand that they aren't rich - it's the other guy that makes more than they do. The thing that amazes me the most is the ignorant belief that if one gets an EFC figure that sounds low enough to be affordable in one's view, that's all that one will be paying for college! Because my family makes below the median U.S. income, our EFC figure would be seen as quite attractive by many posters. I'd be in heaven if that's all we were spending to keep our D in school, LOL. Florida State, like many, many schools does not meet 100% of need. Not even close! I'd estimate that we spend over $18,000 per year after aid to keep our D in school. Keeping in mind that we earn less than the median income, which, depending on which source you look at, is around $45,000, I'd have to say that $18,000 is a pretty good hunk of change :) The thing is, I don't think we have been treated unfairly. </p>

<p>We chose to send our D out-of-state. We thought doing so would give her a better education in her chosen field than any KY institution could offer. We knew that in making that choice, we would be looking at big tuition bills. We knew that the bills at some schools would be more than we wanted to try to swing. We made our D aware of the financial realities before she started looking at colleges. She knows that mom and dad chose careers that did not pay big bucks. She probably wishes that we made more money, but she is choosing to pursue a career path that will most likely not provide her with a large income either. She, like her parents, has chosen a career that will hopefully bring her personal fulfillment, but not lots of cash.</p>

<p>I just wish that some of the posters here at CC could "get it" that financial aid is not designed to make college easy to afford for those of us who've had the advantages of a decent education and a good job. People who make $140,000 a year, even those who live on Long Island, are not disadvantaged. As I said above, my family makes a fraction of that. Even taking into account the difference in the cost of living between KY and Long Island, I suspect that the Rowe family is still financially better off than mine. Yet, I don't think my family is disadvantaged either. I guess my mindset is just different than the Rowe's.</p>

<p>Great post, dancersmom. And I applaud your "mindset" :)</p>

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Administrators' focus on helping the poorest kids has resulted in a middle-class squeeze: They are neither poor enough to qualify for some aid nor rich enough to pay the bills on their own.

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<p>This is the oldest whine around. News stories have been saying this since at least the early 1970s. Most people who are genuinely middle class have lots of affordable college choices for their children.</p>

<p>"I'd say that a $108,000 salary for teaching in Long Island is probably comparable to what teachers in KY earn, considering the cost of living. " Remember, the OP'ss $108,000 salary included working in the summer, too.</p>

<p>$140,000 income on Long Island:</p>

<p>30% Fed, State, Local, Soc Sec, Medicare etc. (-$42,000)</p>

<p>10% 401K (gotta save the max for retirement!) (-$14,000)</p>

<p>RE Taxes...$550,000 home...which...in a good Long Island School District...is a 3 bedroom 1.5 bath, small-lot "starter" home! (-$8,000)</p>

<p>Mortgage (-$23,000)
(less than the OP)</p>

<p>Utilities (-$3,600)</p>

<p>Car payments (Honda Civic...gotta have one car that is somewhat reliable since the other one is a clunker "station" car) (-$2,400)</p>

<p>Car insurance (clunker doesn't get collision insurance...and family is accident free...and teens don't drive!) (-1,700)</p>

<p>And...This family hasn't eaten yet, purchased any clothes, or paid health insurance, or life insurance, or car maintenance, or school/sports activity fees or their EFC of $48,000!</p>

<p>This family has chosen to live on Long Island, and parents have had the good fortune to have good educations and work in their chosen professions. They're not whining.</p>

<p>But...since this family has lived other places in the US, they realize that most basic living costs are at least twice what they are in many other parts of the country...but salaries aren't always double what they are in other parts of the country.</p>

<p>It's true that many of the "facts" in the article are inaccurate. Many of us have already had discussions with our kids so they have a realistic view of their options and costs and can plan accordingly. We told our kids that unfortunately colleges are very pricey & the only way S could go to an expensive private school was with good merit aid. He was able to get some nice merit offers and is happy at the school he chose. We didn't qualify for merit aid when he applied & won't when D applies for 2008, and that will have to be considered in her college selection as well. She is not a merit aid candidate.</p>

<p>"Administrators' focus on helping the poorest kids has resulted in a middle-class squeeze: They are neither poor enough to qualify for some aid nor rich enough to pay the bills on their own."</p>

<p>WHERE exactly is this focus on the poorest kids? Certainly not at the Ivies, where more than the students receiving need-based aid come from families earning more than 100k? Certainly not all those schools focusing on "merit aid" (aimed mostly at kids from families earning more than $100k.) Certainly not the state schools, at least where I live, where they are taking full-pay OOS students and shutting out community college transfers (even those who can manage to afford it.) </p>

<p>I can name a few places, a VERY few places where this MIGHT be true, but they aren't very many.</p>

<p>would anyone like to contribute some camembert to go with the Rowe family whine?</p>

<p>camembert? Surely you jest, sir. How cruel of you. A mere $140-ish income , if one would talk about such vulgar things in polite company, should certainly qualify one for government cheese. Oh dear, the heads up computer display in my Bentley is on the fritz again. TaTa and toodles.</p>

<p>wine, cheese? I hope it is a good vintage and, of course, that cordial invites will go out to admission officers to attend this party -they might appreciate (if not need) a good vintage wine when all those phone calls start to come in to negotiate and wheedle deals on financial aid packages.</p>

<p>dancersmom - welcome to the Long Island, Westchester and Fairfield Cty, CT mindset - the hub of the admissions frenzy.</p>

<p>Dancersmom--great post. I've been trying to make the same point on another thread, but you made it better.</p>

<p>Six figure incomes sound great and those of you who live in Texas will never understand the L.I. economy. Those of us who live it, understand very well. Sure incomes are 50% or more ahead of the national averages, but the cost of living is also double and with progressive taxes, living on L.I. is a challenge. To really appreciate it, you need to see how very little you get in housing for a half million or more and $10k or more/year in taxes. Most of us have found some ways to cope. Where I work, almost everyone has a second job. Many employees have been handling two full time jobs for many years. Another good way is to have an illegal apartment in your basement. Since there are tens of thousands of these on L.I., the local governments and politicians can't do much. These illegal apartments make it possible for both the renters and home owners to survive. Rents are paid in cash and hence are tax free. Even without an illegal apartment, most of us must deal in the underground economy and obtain services and some goods by barter or untaxed cash payments. Some services may not make sense at all. I have come to the conclusion that routine auto services are not worth the cost. It seemed that every time I tried to get my car serviced, it cost $600-$1000. Now I just pay the local shop in cash for oil changes and brake jobs and ignore all the remaining service recommendations.</p>

<p>When it comes to college many of us are indeed half crazy. We would like just once to see something come back for all the taxes we pay. Unfortunately the NY SUNY schools are not too impressive. Illinois, Michigan, North Carolina and a whole bunch of other states are way ahead. Our best choices are.....well let's just say I attended one of them many years ago and it is no less depressing now and the 20+:1 student:faculty ratio does not help.</p>

<p>Wow. Hard to believe the hostility directed toward this article. I'm sure they got some facts wrong but does anyone deny that college costs have skyrocketed. I'm guessing for some folks on this site money is not the primary determinent as to where thier S or D attends college. That must be a terrific feeling. For others merit aid is a viable possibility and will make what was unaffordable, affodable. But.. for others, including some mentioned in this article, who are not independently wealthy, and whose kids didn't get merit gathering scores on the SAT, their choices are extremely limited. Yes I agree many schools meet 100% of financial need, even for middle of the road students, but many more do not. The remaining amount must be paid by the familiy or student, and even if it is only a matter of a few thousand dollars, it may still be insurmountable. And no, there is nothing wrong with going the community college route and working full time while in school, many of us did that, but remember college costs 25-30 years ago took a lesser bite out of the average family's and even the average student's income. College cost have increased at nearly double or triple the rate of inflation since many of us attended and Goverment aid has not kept pace. The recent interest rate hike on student loans only adds insult to injury. I don't veiw folks complaining about that as whiners... but that's just me.</p>

<p>2boysima, edad, and nightingale very good information and really pinpoint the issues in LI and expensive areas in the NE in general. The only change that I would make is that property taxes that are mentioned in a couple of these posts may be a bit low for that modest home in the 500-600,000 price range (and do picture a very modest home in this price range).</p>

<p>NEMom: I agree. Many LI homeowners pay much higher taxes. Quite a few of us, who are relative newcomers (15 years in my case), had to move further out on the island to afford housing and our taxes are a bit lower. Of course, many of us also spend two hours/day in the car commuting. That is not cheap either.</p>