<p>When you don’t like the facts, argue the law. Nice try though. Most schools would be happy with a 44% yield all day long.</p>
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<p>Really? Because UW-Madison reports it gets a 63% yield from admits who are Wisconsin residents. So clearly they’re not doing as good a job in attracting Minnesotans as they are in attracting in-state kids. </p>
<p>They also report they don’t do as well with “high-achieving” Wisconsin residents—those with ACT or SAT scores at least one standard deviation above the UW-Madison average–as with the larger in-state applicant pool, yielding 56% of the in-state high-achiever admits. Still, that’s a pretty good chunk of them. Where do the other 44% end up? Some in private colleges and universities, with Marquette, Northwestern, Macalester, St. Olaf, and Wash U topping the list. But by a wide margin, more Wisconsin high-achievers end up at the University of Minnesota than any at other school, public or private.</p>
<p>Yes, UMN has been very good at buying a few top students with merit aid–something UW offers very little of at present. 1131 of them went to UW. 76 to Uminn. Hardly much of a loss and there are some majors that Uminn has that UW does not have at Madison. One popular one is architecture. UMN also offers direct admit to schools like business and engineering while at UW you apply after a year so that could attract some students who want to be locked in to their major.</p>
<p>These are very different schools. That is all it really comes down to. I am not sure they are even comparable, other than the fact that they are both large public schools in the midwest.</p>
<p>It’s very telling that Minnesotans are too classy to shamelessly promote their school. (Emphasis on “shamelessly.”)</p>
<p>^ ****, ■■■■■.</p>
<p>Try to stay classy, UCB. I don’t like fanboys, of the Wisconsin or UC Berkeley variety. So take your **** and you know what to do with it.</p>
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<p>You just earned the fastest ignore poster award ever. Obviously you have nothing to add. Bye.</p>
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<p>Informative, once again, you are completely NOT informative. I have no dog in this fight, and think both UW and UMN are good choices for very different reasons, but Madison in no way is a “rural atmosphere.” It’s really evident you’ve never even been anyplace outside of the northeast, but you feel compelled to comment on parts of the country you’ve never seen. You seem to have that “everything outside the northeast is a cow-town” mentality, which is completely inaccurate.</p>
<p>To the OP … Madison is a great college town, but you’re not going to be visiting Chicago all that much, maybe a few times a year tops, so don’t consider proximity to Chicago one way or the other. UMN will have more of a true living-in-the-city feel to it.</p>
<p>And back to Informative – unless you’re talking about NYC, at one point, living in one city really does feel like living in any other city. The kinds of neighborhoods young urban professionals live in tend to resemble one another no matter where the city is.</p>
<p>I think he should go to UMinn because I think he has grossly underestimated how a mountain of debt from attending UW will impact his life.</p>
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<p>If you’ve put me on “ignore,” that means you can’t read this right?</p>
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<p>I agree. UW is not worth eight thousand dollars extra per year. Both are Big Ten state schools. The quality of undergraduate education is not that different to justify the cost differential.</p>
<p>*UW is not worth eight thousand dollars extra per year. Both are Big Ten state schools. The quality of undergraduate education is not that different to justify the cost differential. *</p>
<p>UW
Out-of-state tuition and fees: $24,233</p>
<p>UMinn
Out-of-state tuition and fees: $16,503</p>
<p>Exactly…and when you multiply by 4 years that’s $32k more debt than whatever the debt would be for UMinn. The student is already going to have about $30k in debt for UMinn…doubling that for UW-M is just silly and a decision that any reasonable adult would regret later.</p>
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<p>LOL. I completely agree. Madison’s a great college town, and one of a number of emerging Midwestern secondary cities that are growing in population and in economic importance to their state’s economies. It’s not rural, it’s not a cow town, but it doesn’t have a big city feel, either. Many people find that appealing. It’s a matter of personal preference.</p>
<p>As for the “rural” characterization, I have to laugh because it remains me of a favorite story from my D1’s early childhood. We lived in Manhattan at the time, and New York City was her world, but we had family reasons to get back to the Midwest regularly, and we always managed to spend some time in Chicago where DW and I had met and lived happily for some years before ending up on the East Coast. Once when we were driving through a typical North Side Chicago neighborhood, somewhere around Wrigley Field I believe, D1—then maybe age 4 or so—was marveling at all the greystone 2-flat and 3-flat buildings, block after block of them, all detached, each with a little postage-stamp-sized front yard, a tree on the parkway, and a narrow ribbon of grass on the side between buildings. Then suddenly D1, our little Manhattanite, confidently announced: “I LIKE Chicago! Chicago’s in the country, and I LIKE the country!”</p>
<p>So it all depends upon one’s perspective, I guess. To our little girl who was growing up in a 10-story Manhattan building with no front yard, no side yard, and no tree in front, surrounded by block after block of similar buildings or larger, Chicago had a distinctly “country” feel. </p>
<p>She later said the same thing about Queens, by the way.</p>
<p>This is a post in the Univ. of Minnesota forum from our friendly Badger:</p>
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<p>I caution you to take what the Wisconsin fanboy says with a grain of salt.</p>
<p>BTW - when one compares the social atmosphere of UW and UMN, while Madison vs Minneapolis/St. Paul / vibrant college town vs large metro area are certainly individual tastes and preferences, but it’s pretty undeniable that a big part of UW’s strong social life is related to partying / alcohol. barrons has even defended that on other threads – hey, it’s no big deal to vomit on some little old lady’s lawn and knock over her trashcans, that’s what she should expect by living in Madison near the university. UW is a hard-partying school. Whether the OP likes that or not is individual taste, but you can’t automatically say UW social life > UMN social life unless your social life preferences are inextricably linked with loud, raucous drinking scenes.</p>
<p>While that type of partying certainly is part of the UW ethos it is just a part that many move beyond after a year or two. You have the many other superior aspects that I mentioned from the lakefront location and uniquely active and fun student union (it’s not just a student union–it’s one that attracts thousands on nice evenings–if you know of another tell me–I don’t), the sailing and outdoor activities right on/adjacent to campus, the undeniable strong school spirt, and the downtown Madison activities from the uniquely wonderful (as written by many others) Farmer’s Market to the many restaurants and cultural facilities within an easy walk of the campus. </p>
<p>[Memorial</a> Union Terrace - Madison, WI](<a href=“http://www.yelp.com/biz/memorial-union-terrace-madison]Memorial”>http://www.yelp.com/biz/memorial-union-terrace-madison)</p>
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<p>Meaningless unless you know what % of this cross-admit pool is in-state to each school. </p>
<p>If 10% of all cross-admits were Wisconsin residents, and 67% of the cross-admits chose Madison, then it says that Wisconsin is very appealing to Minnesota residents who applied to both.</p>
<p>However, if 90% of all cross-admits were Wisconsin residents, and 67% of the cross-admits chose Madison, then it says that Wisconsin doesn’t get its fair share of Wisconsin residents who were also applying to Minnesota.</p>
<p>The interpretation is completely different … without knowing the “state-hood” of the cross-admits pool, the 67% / 33% is meaningless.</p>
<p>OK, barrons, you win. UW is the most practically perfect school on the planet, and there is no reason anyone would ever, ever like anything about any other school. No school can possibly compare on any dimensions, and there can never be anything such as “different options - vanilla and chocolate; which is better is based on your personal preference.” Happy now? Do you think it looks good that you can’t dispassionately describe the pros and cons of UW vs UMN?</p>