<p>Alexandre, out of the handful (15 or so) of biz programs u recommend, would UVA/McINTIRE be one of them? and how hard is it to get in Ross? does everyone in Ross find high paid jobs?</p>
<p>I bet he says yes to that.</p>
<p>McIntire is one of the better programs for business so I would recommend it.</p>
<p>Ross is fairly competitive to get into. You pretty much have to have above a 3.5 GPA to be considered. After that, you must have good recommendations and leadership skills to seal the deal. Ross is probably the second best undergraduate business school out there so a lot of the graduates go onto Wall Street. You can't go wrong with Ross.</p>
<p>that confirms my fear. if i dont get in Ross, i'd be wasting my parents' $$</p>
<p>Ross is risky. The mean GPA while at Michigan for successful Ross applicants is 3.6. Most have GPAs that hover between 3.5 and 3.8. That basically means that most Ross students enetered with the general population and managed to rank among the top 15% of Michigan's student body. Keep in mind that 30% of Michigan students have SATs over 1400 and graduated from high school with perfect 4.0 unweighed GPAs! LOL </p>
<p>If I were 100% sure that I only wanted to major in Business, I would pick a top 6 or 7 BBA program that admits me directly into the program, like McIntire, McCombs, Tepper, Stern, Wharton and Sloan over programs that do not, like Haas and Ross. L:uckily, Ross will accept applicants straight from high school this coming fall. </p>
<p>As for McIntire, it would be one of my top 5 or 6 choices. First would be Wharton, second would be Ross, third would be Sloan, fourth would be Haas and fifth would be either McIntire or Stern. I prefer UVA to NYU, so I would say that McIntire would be my 5th choice. </p>
<p>But since I do not mind majoring in Economics instead of Business, I would say that even if I had a chpice between Michigan/Ross and say NYU/Stern or UVA/McIntire, I would have picked Michigan/Ross.</p>
<p>actually, uva students apply for Mcintire in the end of the 2nd year (it's not direct), and 75% of applicants get it. i presume the 25% that dont get in are stupid jocks. so, not VERy competitive overall.</p>
<p>Alexandre, can i vote for u as the most helpful person on CC?</p>
<p>Thanks for the correction Thom. Every bit of information helps. As for my being the most "helpful" person on CC, I am honored, but I think that are many who are at least as helpful. That's what's amazing about this forum. There are literaly a dozen or more highly caring and experienced individuals who spend many an hour on this forum, trying their best to help students.</p>
<p>Go48, what's with the UPenn/Philly bashing? You can't tell us that its campus isn't beautiful or that it doesn't have anything else to offer besides Wharton.</p>
<p>it was just an example how undergrad biz programs become a magnet for the school... i feel upenn is a good example as many people interested in biz would definitely choose another ivy over penn anyday if it wasnt for wharton which is great for the school short term (profit) but long term will at some point degrade wharton's image i believe... (this is just my opinion, no need to jump on me lol)</p>
<p>go48:</p>
<p>Wharton has been considered a top grad B school for a couple of decades, so I don't think it's undergrad classes have any negative effect on its brand.</p>
<p>With regards to branding, I think NU should not go to a undergrad B program, bcos it would cheapen it's brand....it already has a rep as more of a pre-professional school, and an undergrad B program would only reinforce that image, IMO.</p>
<p>Go, I completely disagree with you about Penn. You may not know a lot about Penn, but take it from me, it is on par with Cornell and Columbia. It so happens that it has a larger-than-life B-School, but that does not take away from the whole.</p>
<p>im not talking academics im talking more about general "quality of life" which i believe penn is not known for.
but back to the main topic lol....
actually , does anybody know what exactly is taught in the BIP ? theoretical or practical stuff? is it actual classes or it just a "program" as in BIP= this math class and that econ class etc... ?</p>
<p>Penn's supposed to be the 'social ivy.' It's quality of life is a lot better than most other schools.</p>
<p>I think you were missinformed Go48. Penn is a very lively university with lots of social opportunities.</p>
<p>could be... lets not hijack this thread into a whats penn thread lol...</p>
<p>I think Berkeley and Ross have it ALL right: start the business program at the junior year. By applying for the school in the sophomore year, students will have had the chance to explore other fields. After all, the business degree really only requires several core courses. This will work especially well at Northwestern, as we are on the quarter system-- that means 12 courses per year!! You can definately squeeze in a business degree into those two years...in fact...make it a joint degree...like MMSS (Mathmatical Methods in Social Sciences). Kellogg is a name brand, and Northwestern should use its name to really increase the quality of students NU gets. We already have the faculty (Kellogg faculty)... one or two years of planning will surely be enough to raise NU through the undergrad busienss rankings, maybe even above wharton's program.</p>
<p>Now, what financial institution would be unimpressed with a kellogg undergrad degree?</p>
<p>Well, sad to say but I guess Ross doesn't have it "right" anymore.</p>
<p>In my opinion, for Ross to accept out of high school was purely out of need for more applications and a higher yield. NU attracts many more intelligent people than Michigan...we don't share the same concerns as UM. Berkeley (Haas) probably will not follow in Ross' footsteps: they too have MANY qualified students already headed their way.</p>
<p>After all, wouldn't it be nice to even filter through the pool of highly qualified NU students? The business school would be the cream of the crop.</p>
<p>We've got the resources...the name...and the people to make it happen...get some kellogg alumni involved and its set....</p>
<p>Cleverthinkin, You are wrong about Michigan's (and Ross') ability to recruit talented students. Last year, closee to 2,000 Freshmen entering Michigan had SAT scores over 1400 and graduated in the top 1% of their high school class with straight, 4.0 unweighed GPAs. Somehow, I do not think Michigan has trouble recruiting talent. </p>
<p>The reason Ross is going to start admitting students directly out of high school is because:</p>
<p>1) Wharton, Sloan and Stern are stealing many students potentially interested in Ross since the former three accept students directly into their B school whereas Michigan is far from a sure thing, with fewer than 50% of Michigan studenta getting into Ross.</p>
<p>2) To get Business majors internships earlier. With the old system, B majors would only have one summer to work as interns before graduating. With the new system, B majors will be able to have a couple of summer internships before graduating.</p>
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<p>I think we both know Alexander that pretty much any meaningful internship isn't going to be given until around the junior year anyway. Sure, there might be a diamond in the rough, but for the most part, companies are not going to give very much control over to a freshman or sophomore college student. Not to say they won't be a good experience, but they really aren't going to impress people THAT much.</p>