<p>Ok I am really interested in both of these schools</p>
<p>What are the </p>
<p>Positives of Notre Dame-
Negatives of Notre Dame-</p>
<p>Positives of Southern California
Negatives of Southern Califronia-</p>
<p>Your choice of who is better-</p>
<p>Thanks for the help!</p>
<p>The only thing I don't particularly like about Notre Dame is that it is deep into a residential neighborhood. That makes it quiet and peaceful, I suppose, but it's a hike just to get to any sort of restaurant or store. And apparently the nightlife and cultural highlights of South Bend aren't much to get excited about. I've heard that the students often make the drive to Chicago when they want some bigtime nightlife. But it's an amazingly beautiful place, and they obviously take great care to maintain it. The last time I was there it was in the summer, and there was an army of construction and maintenance guys fixing every little flaw on the exterior of every building. The landscaping is exquisite. Most of the dorms and classroom buildings are in a fairly compact area, which is nice with the cold climate there.</p>
<p>USC's campus seems a bit out of place in its neighborhood. The campus is lush and has a lot of trees, unlike the surrounding neighborhood. The campus seems compact and self-contained, with a fence around it. On one side they seem to be trying to create a little college-friendly commercial area. There are lots of interesting neighborhoods in the LA area, if you like the whole LA sunglasses-and-show-biz vibe. But no such neighborhoods seem to be very close to USC.</p>
<p>If you visit both, I'm sure you will like one WAY more than the other. It's hard to imagine a person who would be happy at both of them.</p>
<p>thats the problem.. I wont be able to visit ND...</p>
<p>I think this is very personal..those are very good universities.What is your intended major?I'been to LA before and the thing is you either like it or hate it , i'm not a huge fan of los angeles but i would prefer california to indiana....would you prefer the hot weather to the cold?Large city to small?do you like beaches , mountains?would be happy far from your friends/family?You need to ask yourself these questions...Again both universities would offer you a decent education.</p>
<p>Yeah, the academics at both are excellent in a lot of fields. To pick one based on academics would be folly, when the non-academic aspects are so dramatically different. Pateta is right--Los Angeles is very polarizing. I HATE it, and would consider 4 years at USC to be torture. But I can certainly see how somebody who is into dusty, smoggy, traffic-intense, LA superficiality would LOVE USC. It's also interesting that both schools have traditionally had such wonderful football teams, and such under-performing basketball teams. Also, unlike UCLA, at least USC's football stadium is near campus. The UCLA folks have to make a long trek to the Rose Bowl. But even both (ND and USC) schools' detractors have to agree that they both produce fiercely loyal alumni networks.</p>
<p>You say you won't be able to visit ND. Let me tell you that it's quite Catholic, though non-Catholics are certainly welcomed. The school has a gorgeous tan French architecture. The university is fully co-ed now, but a mile or less away is St. Mary's womens college and Holy Cross junior college (where Rudy went his first 2 years). So the overall Catholic college community is bigger than the Notre Dame enrollment. There is UNDOUBTEDLY a certain magic and excitement about the ND campus (I didn't sense the same sort of excitement and tradition at USC, but I might have missed it). The Notre Dame football stadium is very close to the dorms and academic buildings, so its rich football heritage is not something you have to look hard for. I think both USC and ND students are at least a little bit overconfident and "full of themselves." That's not necessarily a bad or rare thing. Most top colleges have their share of students and faculty who are talented and pretty impressed with themselves. What I'm saying is that if you go to either ND or USC, don't expect to find a bunch of humble aw-shucks types.</p>
<p>Positives: both schools are solid academically</p>
<h2>Negatives: ND is in the middle of nowhere and USC isnt in the greatest area</h2>
<p>I think ND is the better school, but I'd chose USC for social factors (hot girls, etc)</p>
<p>USC is ridiculously overrated and overranked. Outside its outstanding film school, I don't think USC is really all that academically.</p>
<p>Notre Dame is much better school, but it's in the middle of nowhere. </p>
<p>Both schools though have their share of really arrogant and obnoxious alumni, but USC's alumni are far worse than Notre Dame's. USC alumni always come across with this "I'm smarter and better than you" smug attitude. PLEASE! You went to USC! The ppl who go to USC really act as though they're too big for their britches.</p>
<p>someone's bitter about something.</p>
<p>Nope, he speaks the truth.</p>
<p>teknosoul flames USC every chance he gets without explaining why - ignore him.</p>
<p>To address the question at hand though, i think ChillenTil08 needs to think about what sort of college environment he wants to be in. Both USC and ND have excellent academics and alumni networks, the obvious differences however would be their surroundings. USC may not be in the nicest neighborhood in LA, but it is still located right in the heart of a major city. It's got hollywood, beautiful beachs, and orange county all just minutes away. ND is obviously in a more secluded environment. Some people love the secluded environment, although I would personally be bored. It's certainly a personal choice.</p>
<p>Good luck with your decision.</p>
<p>I flame USC b/c it is ridiculously overrated. It's like 95% of Hollywood movies out there: flashy on the surface, crappy on the inside. Sorry, I'm just telling it like it is.</p>
<p>I do acknowledge that USC has an outstanding film school; then again, the fact that USC graduates many filmmakers explains why Hollywood films are such s*it nowadays. </p>
<p>And besides, you CCs enjoy flaming EVERY school out there that isn't ranked in the Top 25-30; I don't see why you get into such hissy fits when I'm just expressing my thoughts.</p>
<p>Ok....... I have always drempt about going to Notre Dame.... My whole family has been fans since I can remember.... The Last time I went to Nd i would say i was 9 years old...... I remember the football stadium but thats about it...... As far as climate goes i love the snow (I live in Phoenix) and I love the wilderness aspect of South Bend<br>
On the other Hand</p>
<p>I love the Ocean and the beach
I loved USC's campus when I visited.........As far as majors go....Im still undecided</p>
<p>If I had to pick a school it would definitly be ND.....but I have a strong feeling that I'm probably not going to get into both of them or one of them for that matter....so maybe i dont need to be worrying.......... Im just trying to look at this situationg from all angles...u know?</p>
<p>
[quote]
I flame USC b/c it is ridiculously overrated. It's like 95% of Hollywood movies out there: flashy on the surface, crappy on the inside. Sorry, I'm just telling it like it is.
[/quote]
</p>
<p>So you're argument is that USC is overrated because it's "crappy on the inside"?</p>
<p>That certainly is persuasive...</p>
<p>Also, I don't know who you're referring to as "you CCs", but I never bash other schools - and certainly never because of their rankings. When you flame a school unnecessarily, and fail to even provide an argument for doing so, you succeed only in making an ass of yourself.</p>
<p>did anyone else instantly think of the upcoming football game when they saw this thread? lol</p>
<p>USC > teknosoul.</p>
<p>Psychopath1.....I sure did...thats why i put the no football thing on the side so that we could keep this strictly academic...lolz</p>