***November 2015 SAT (US Only) Thread ***

@dsi411 Ahh, I’m hoping for 2250+. I know I missed 5 CR and 1W. Nothing else I’m aware of. Not sure but I probably missed 2 more on the W due to possibly some dumb mistake i overlooked.

@dsi411 @krauser126

Which ones did you guys miss?

I missed the coterie sentence completion one and the one about the door in the story.

@andy276153 coterie, presumptuous, basic vs. orthodox, concession for the photo distortion, and there were 2 hotly debated question but I’m confident I got them right.

@dsi411

Alright thank you very much Sir :slight_smile:

@krauser126

Would one of the debated questions be the excuse vs. confession one? And do you remember where the basicvs. orthodox question was?

@andy276153 Yea that was one of the debated questions. The other was the one on blossoming relationship or a high ambition for Ria and Danny passage. The basic vs orthodox was a question asking what is the meaning of “fundamental” used in the physics passage to describe fundamental laws. It was about the eggs and coffee and physics.

Is the answer for the arm chairs question 2100 or 2520? Which one did you guys put? I am seeing people saying both answers…

@HelloEveryone27 2100

What were the answers to the basic vs orthodox and the door question?
@krauser126 @dsi411

@andy276153 I’m actually a ma’am . Hehe.
@Marshmallow99 The answer to the basic orthodox one was basic if I remember correctly. Does anyone else remember? And for the door one, I don’t remember the answer but I do know that I picked the answer about the guy being confident and I’m pretty sure that’s wrong. If you want you can search previous pages of this thread for the discussion of those questions to know for sure.

@dsi411 Ok cool. I got basic :stuck_out_tongue:

My two cents in the excuse vs. confession debate: As someone who scored an 800 on the CR of my last SAT, I put excuse. Danny was just trying to politely get out of staying with Ria’s family until late at night. It wasn’t a confession because Danny wasn’t admitting to a crime or sin, and he wasn’t really admitting an unpleasant truth. He was attempting to gracefully leave a social situation that he didn’t want to be in. I think the confession answer is over-thinking it and inferring too much.

I didn’t see it as overthinking and the time and I still think it isn’t. Confession could just be telling someone something that he or she previously didn’t know. It doesn’t have to be unpleasant or a crime/sin. Just replace the scenario where Danny told the mother that they were going to see the house with Danny telling the mother that they were going to get married. Do you still consider it an excuse? No. He would obviously be confessing to the mother that he and her daughter are getting married. So I don’t get why people think that him telling the mother that he and her daughter are going to see his house is anything more or less than a confession? He made no excuse.

@dsi411 @Marshmallow99 The door one was comparing reality with expectations.

I agree 100% with @Studious99 about the excuse vs. confession debate and I also scored 800 in verbal on my last SAT (in 1975). :wink:

@Plotinus Did you even read the fiction passage? How could you be so sure?

The part of speech being used at that instant was a noun. The definition of confession as a noun is : acknowledgment; AVOWAL; ADMISSION: The definition of excuse as a verb could work in this scenario, but since all answer choices were being referred to as nouns, you can’t use the verb of excuse (to excuse oneself) as the right answer. The noun of excuse (to make an excuse) just doesn’t make sense in the context… but whatever there’s no point arguing it anymore xD If only they told us what questions we got wrong on the score report :L

@krauser126 I read the passage in the link to Google books I found earlier in the thread. I also have read the book itself. I would not be confident about the correct answer without having read the relevant passage, although I have heard of people who claim they can do this (e.g., Robert Shaeffer of Fair Test.) Unfortunately, I am not one of these people. I have tried it and failed miserably.

You are completely right that “excuse” has to be a noun in this case and not a verb. However, you seem to assume that “excuse” as a noun has to mean “a lie.” To the contrary, one of the meanings of “excuse” as a noun is “a reason given to justify the a fault or failure to do something.” An excuse is not necessarily a lie. It can be the true reason.

“I have to show Ria the house before sunset” gives a reason for the speaker’s failure to satisfy the wishes of the listeners that he stay longer. This reason may be a polite lie, or it may be the truth. In either case, it accords with one of the definitions of “excuse” as a noun.

I believe that the Student Answer Service provides a complete list of the student’s actual answers, together with the correct answers. If you can remember which section and question number this was, you can use the SAS to determine whether your answer to this question was correct. I am sure many people would be interested.

Here is why it is confession:

  1. Immediately after it notes he says it "apologetically" denoting that it is a confession.
  2. He is immediately described as 'straightforward and uncomplicated', so why would he be making excuses?

Additionally, you getting an 800 does not qualify you to be the ultimate sage on whether an answer is right or not. Get over yourself.

@renegade23 I got 800 in SAT Verbal in 1975. I certainly don’t think that makes me a sage, much less an ultimate sage, except maybe in analogies. :wink:

I am giving my opinion for people who think it might be helpful. Of course I could be wrong. However, I don’t find the reasons you have advanced convincing.

  1. People making excuses are apologetic. People making confessions are ashamed or embarrassed.
  2. The character is making an excuse in the sense of giving a polite reason why he can’t stay longer. There is nothing complicated about this. People who seem straightforward and uncomplicated make polite excuses. People who make confessions seem more complicated because they have dark secrets they were hiding.
  3. How do YOU explain the line, “And then they were free”?

Although it is perhaps unfair to bring in parts of the book not in the SAT excerpt, if you read the rest of the book you find out that the character in question is not a good guy, is not having a good time with his future in-laws, did not want to meet them, and is not particularly interested in showing his house to his girlfriend before sunset. He has been trying to convince her to go to bed with him, and she has refused up until now because she is not sure whether he loves her. They make a tacit agreement that if he comes to visit with her family, that proves he loves her, so she will go to bed with him. That is why he wants to leave as soon as possible. The line about showing the house before dark really is just a polite lie.