<p>gosh i feel so odd...like i didnt do the summer program at any of these places due to time, finances...etc...now i feel like i have almost no shot...i know thats not true..but it just stinks realizing it now...hmm...i cant decide if that is fair or unfair? but i guess the same could be argued with people who can afford great training elsewhere and those who cant. what are you all's thoughts on the subject?</p>
<p>Chris, I want to ASSURE you that it does not matter that you did not do a summer program affiliated with a particular college program. My daughter did not do a summer program at a college, and neither did ANY of her theater friends who now attend many of the top MT BFA programs, including your fave, NYU. Yes, for those who did go to these, it is only natural that if faculty met you and worked with you and LIKED you, then it bodes well as all is not entirely on a ten minute audition as they know more about you. It is like casting a show. If you have already worked at a particular theater, you have a bit of an "edge" over someone who showed up for the first time to audition for a show. Newbies are cast all the time but more rides on their audition and than those from the past, have more to go on. But that is not the same as saying, "If I go to the summer program at Podunk University, that will help me get in there." It is not a given. But sure, if you stand out when working with people, they can't erase that from their minds when you come to audition again. They know more about you. </p>
<p>My daughter NEVER looked into pre college programs. The idea never came up. </p>
<p>Yes, my daughter did go to a summer theater camp, but never for any edge or anything to do with college. She picked it at age nine and just kept going cause she loved it so much. </p>
<p>As I have written on this forum many times, there is no one ANSWER as to what you must do to get into these programs. Rather than pick things to get into a college, I see another path. I say do what you love. Train at what you love, Gain skills, gain experiences. Achieve. The rest will follow. In the case of MT, that means get training in voice, acting and dance. Gain stage experiences in productions of any level you can find. Classes, lessons, workshops, youth productions, school productions, community theater, regional theater, and summer intensives. Any combination will do. The bottom line is training, plus production experiences. How you get this can differ widely. Use whatever resources at your disposal. We don't have youth theaters here but my D tried out for adult shows. We don't have drama classes at school. We have schools shows. We travel to lessons and a dance studio. Try to make use of whatever resources you can. Sometimes, you can create your own opportunities. My D started her own student run musicals that she created. She started a summer program she directed in MT for youth. Just stay involved, train, immerse yourself in whatever way you can. It doesn't matter where you do it. Just do it. Like I said, I know lots of kids in MT college programs and all did a bunch of stuff but none did pre college programs. Don't sweat this part. Yes, when my D started CAP, she remarked how many kids in her program had gone there for the summer, but hey, good for them, that's truly great. But ya know, she and a whole lot of others there did not and they got in too. Don't forget that! Believe in yourself. I know this is a nervewracking time. These programs are very selective and competitive. Don't pin your hopes on any ONE college program. Like many. You can be happy at many different ones. If you have what it takes, at least one will likely come through. Keep the faith....</p>
<p>Susan</p>
<p>PS, and one more thing, Chris....you can see I'm on a roll, LOL.....please know that it is not about fairness. Make do with the resources you have. Be the BEST YOU CAN BE. I have a daughter who chose public school over a specialized ski academy in our town (though even if she had wanted the academy, I could not have afforded it). In her sport, to be at the top, most do go to ski academies. But ya know, she trained in the weekend program, plus was on her high school varsity team. She did the best at her level without an academy. Even so, while she'll never do the Olympics or anything remotely like it because you really do need to have done the academy route for that, she has still achieved a lot and now is on a Div. 1 varsity ski team, NOT as a recruit, at an Ivy League School (coming from a rural public high school) and most of her teammates ARE from ski academies and from other elite prep schools with ski programs. She made the team and in fact, was chosen to be on their squad for the National Collegiate Ski Championships. She made due with what she had for training and has fared just fine. She came from a no name school and top colleges still wanted her. Just do what you can, with what you can, be the very best you can be. I'm telling you, the rest does follow. It is not so much What you have but making due with what you have. Achieve. Go for your goals. Don't compare with who has what or went where. Same with BFA programs. Look at all the kids in those coming out of Performing Arts High Schools. So, yeah. Cool. It's great. But ya know, I know lots, including my D, who never could go to those. So what, they are all still in MT college programs, many from my rural state even. I hope this helps some.</p>
<p>chrisnoo, I just want to reiterate what Susan said. Please don't feel that you're odd. You're not! I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of Tischies did NOT attend these pre-college programs. My D, also like Susan's, did not attend one, and also like Susan's, neither did ANY of her friends and she has friends scattered across the U.S. and Canada in drama programs. It is definitely not an essential for prospective students, so don't stress about it now!</p>
<p>First off, I only know approx. 10 kids from the CAP program that are applying early. So even if we were all accepted, that leaves approx. 70 open spots. And I feel that while it may help to have attended a summer program, if you did attend a summer program and aren't quailifed enough, I don't think you would be accepted. So what am I saying...I'm not quite sure...I have been rambling now.
In short...I think you have nothing to worry about! If you are what NYU/CAP are looking for, then why wouldn't you be accepted?</p>
<p>This is 2nd hand information, but my D's friend auditioned for CAP last month and she was told they're only accepting 64 this year. Again, 2nd hand information (I know last year they accepted about 80 hoping to get about 60; most accepted, however)</p>
<p>Yeah when I attended my audition, they said they aim for approx. 64 kids. But to get 64 they obviously have to offer more admissions. Now when I attended the summer program at CAP, they told us they generally have 80...40 boys 40 girls. So I am assuming they would offer around 80 spots hoping for 64 to enroll</p>
<p>When my D went to an info. session almost two years ago, they DID say they accept 80 to hopefully yield 64. But this year's freshman class ended up with 80 so more must have taken the offer. So it would not surprise me if they accept less than 80 this time and if they don't yield enough (under 64), then they'd use a waitlist. This same phenomenom is like what happened in the last year or two at UMich. </p>
<p>Susan</p>
<p>To clarify this again - </p>
<p>What happened the last 3 years (current junior, soph, freshman classes) at UM is that they accepted their usual "30 to yield 20." In each of these years, nearly all of those who were admitted accepted. (29 of 30 in the class of 2007, for example). They have accepted the same number of students each year; they have not changed that, although it has been rumored (for the past 2 years) that they will. It may be true that they have deferred more than usual early on because of this phenomenon of "no one saying no," but it may also not be true - only Brent Wagner knows for sure! :)</p>
<p>Coach, I know this is a NYU thread but your post was NOT what Brent Wagner related last year at UMich auditions. In fact, he talked about changing the admitted number due to that more accepted the offer in the previous year to yield more than they were counting on. A year has gone by so forgive me if I am off by one or two here but he talked about the previous year (now sophs), taking 14 boys to yield 10 and that all 14 accepted, so they have more kids in the class than they had counted on or ideally had preferred. So, for the kids who were auditioning (now are frosh), they likely would accept more like 12 of each sex to yield 10 of each sex and then go to a waitlist if need be. I think even Theatermom who is closer to the situation than I am for sure, has said about 12 girls were accepted last year. One declined and one could not come due to illness (I know of that girl actually). So, if they did the same for boys which is what Brent said they'd likely do (accept about 12 of each), this would not compute to having accepted 30 again last year. My understanding was that last year they would accept about 24 to yield 20 and go to a waitlist after that. This was from Brent's presentation on Jan. 14 audition day this past Jan. You very well may be more "in the know" but I'm just sharing what was told to students and parents at the presentation and what Theatermom, I believe, has also related. Not saying it is correct, of course!</p>
<p>Susan</p>
<p>I'm a junior in highschool in St. louis but I live in Boston. I'm really interested in the CAP 21 Program in NY. I looked up on the internet on the CAP21 website and it said that it was about $3,000 for the program. Does that cover food or is that simply the cost for the classes? I saw that you either are a near by Ny resident or you stay at Tisch or NYU. I'm 17 (18 on July 1st) and NYU looks like where I should stay if I get accepted. Since its already fairly expensive, i'm afraid it will cost too much staying at NYU. Does anyone know the costs for staying at NYU during the summer program? How difficult is it to get into the program? I saw that a lot of 16 year old get turned down, but since I'm 17 it slightly easier. Is there a lot of competition for getting in as a guy? Do they have more basses or tenor?- thanx if anyone can help me out!</p>
<p>That price is just for the program. If you live in an NYU dorm over the summer, you have the option of getting a meal plan, so thats a way to pay for food. If you attend the CAP program, you have to find your own housing and you are not guaranteed housing, so make sure you apply for summer housing as soon as they start accepting applications.</p>
<p>here is a link to the rates for summer housing <a href="http://www.nyu.edu/summer/housing/application_rates.php%5B/url%5D">http://www.nyu.edu/summer/housing/application_rates.php</a></p>
<p>It is a competative program to get into, but they mainly look for potential. There seemed to be a pretty even mix of bass/baritone and tenors. There seemed to be a good mix of everything. Level of dance experience, acting, and voice types.</p>
<p>If you have any other questions, message me. I will gladly answer any questions about the program.</p>
<p>Hi! I'm a junior from Boston MA and auditioning for CAP (pre-college) this year after doing BTP a year ago. I was wondering if I could get some answers on how the audition works and some other info on the program itself, like how many students are accepted to the pre-college program. There isnt much information on the website and I'de love to hear from some people who have done CAP before. Thanks! mc</p>
<p>The audition is pretty simple. When you call to schedule your audition, you tell them the day you want and if it is available, then they will say "How does 1 pm sound?" or something like that. It's all individual auditions. So you get there at the time they tell u on the day. Once there, you will sign in and they will tell you which studio to go to. So u sit out and wait for them to call you in. You go in, sing, mono, and then they ask you a few questions. Nothing really taxing. Mine were like...what are your plans of living if accepted into the program. (Sidenote...if you are applying, go ahead and apply for NYU summer housing and then cancel if you dont get in or dont go, b/c I missed the deadline for NYU housing by a day and I had to go through this other place, which kind of sucked!) But yeah...anyways. With the actual program itself, I don't know how many were accepted, but 64 attended, which is around how many they like to have in the normal NYU/CAP program. If you have any more questions, just PM me, I would be more than willing to answer any questions you may have.</p>
<p>Does anyone have suggestion of ballads for a tenor II/baritone for the CAP 21 audition?</p>
<p>"I'd rather be sailing" from A New Brain
"What more Can I say" from Falsettos
"Lonely Town" from On The Town</p>
<p>I can't think of any more off the top of my head, but those are three really beautiful songs!!</p>
<p>Thanks. I'll give them a try in my voice lessons.</p>
<p>here is what i used (its done now, im in so maybe it will help...)</p>
<p>different from honk...totally obscure, but a great song</p>
<p>Thanks. Oh yeah, how long until you know whether you've made it or not after the audition? Do they tell you up front?, a week?, a month?</p>
<p>I auditioned on a saturday and I had received and email by tuesday saying that my letter of acceptance was in the mail. I received an official letter on like thursday. But it was a pretty quick turn around. Some of my friends just got a letters though. I'd say you hear within a week or so. It's like rolling admissions.</p>
<p>Anyone that did the program and got housing through NYU- would you recommend the air-conditioned "apartment style living" or the non-air conditioned (cheaper) "dorm style living", which includes a meal plan?</p>