<p>i've been accepted to nyu-gallatin and umich-cas. i want to study the film industry, and both schools have strong business/film programs (umich stronger in business, nyu stronger in film). nyu will def score me more connections in the industry, especially through internships, but it is VERY close to home. umich has the campus-feel i like but i think it might be hard designing a curriculum there suited to me. i cannot decide between the two, hopefully sunday in the sq and a visit to ann arbor will help.</p>
<p>I'm in a very similar situation..except im trying to choose between NYU-Stern and Michigan for business. Im visiting NYU this weekend and Umich the next. I also got a $12,000 scholarship to NYU which brings the prices of the schools relatively close (im out of state for UMICH). I'd love to hear some feedback as well..</p>
<p>For film studies, you need to look at these two departments carefully. UMich makes it clear that they are NOT a film school. Their program is more theoretical - they believe in giving students a strong base in theory with a heavy emphasis on writing, and less hands on film-making. I think NYU is a more traditional film school - with a lot more hands-on work. Of course you know that Michigan's B-School isn't a sure thing - you apply as a sophomore, must have 3.6 or above with leadership and community service experience in college. Michigan is a great school - you'll have more of a traditional college experience with big sports, lots of college spirit. Very nice students. NYU is all about the city. If you haven't been admitted to NYU's business school, I'm not sure how that would work.</p>
<p>Either school would be a good step into the film industry. From what I've read and heard, UM has one of the best screenwriting programs in the country. Regardless of where you go, I think the only key to success is to stand out from the others. NYU probably has the edge on actual film PRODUCTION with schools like UCLA and USC.</p>
<p>U-M isn't "film school" that's for sure, but there's plenty here. For example, I was recently reading about a bunch of film industry people in CA with U-M connections who have set up a alumni networking group out there (the University of Michigan Entertainment Coalition); they even have a film festival to showcase the work of U-M grads.</p>
<p>Ummm...kman1308 I have no idea where you heard Umich had one of the best screenwriting programs. I'm a high schooler taking class at umich, and I'm in a screenwriting course. Compared to the classes I took at nyu last summer, this junior level course is not so good. </p>
<p>Hoedown...almost every college that has a film program has an entertainment coalition (even schools with terrible programs...yale, brown, harvard).</p>
<p>Actually, if you're applying to the business school at UM, I hear that they are allowing some (A decent amount) 2nd year students to be in Ross (Which means you apply at the second half of your first year). So maybe that helps.</p>
<p>starting from next year, the BBA program will be changed from a 2 year program to a 3 year program. Because of this, there will be a preferred admissions program to the business school that prospective freshmen can apply to. If you are good enough, they will reserve a spot for you provided that you still have a solid freshman year.</p>
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<p>My understanding is that Michigan does NOT have a film program, not in the traditional style. Which is why I assumed having a film festival for Michigan student filmmakers, and a good network, was notable.</p>
<p>I misunderstood. I am less familiar with the Film and Video program that I am with Comm Studies. I though Film and Video was a theoretical program, not a filmmaking program. My mistake.</p>
<p>For the class after that, they are making a 4 year program. To the original poster, NYU and Michigan were my final choices. While NYU is cool because it's in the city, I went for Michigan because of research opportunities and the ability to do research at the top graduate schools in the country and athletics. You have your whole life to live in NYC, but why not spend four years of it cheering for the winningest program in college football history? We have some of the best athletes in the world including olympic gold medalists, ncaa champions, and a substantial amount of all americans.</p>
<p>I guess UM having one the "best" screenwriting programs is saying a bit too much...nonetheless, I would still say that its second to none. An alumnus from my high school who also graduated from UM, Adam Herz, wrote the American Pie movies (there's a new one coming out this year actually) and when he spoke at our school, he only had good things to say about his education at UM...along with a few other interesting experiences.</p>
<p>seth, i love you and irina but im trying not to let that influence my decision.
unless u wanted to give me money or something haha.
singggg at!!!</p>
<p>nirvanarageatm, thanks so much for the input and i have actually been thinking along the same lines that you provided..but how competitive is the bba program at umich? because at nyu i am already into the stern school of business whereas at umich there is the possibility of gettin turned down. do you know where i can maybe get some statistics for ross's acceptance rates? thanks alot!</p>
<p>Lawrence Kasdan, writer of the original Star Wars trilogy screenplays, including the Empire Strikes Back (arguably the best Science Fiction film of all time), also graduated from Michigan. He also wrote the screenplay for Raiders of the Lost Ark, one of the better Adventure movies of all time. He also wrote screenplays for more down-to-earth and serious movies like "the Big Chill", the "Accidental Tourist" and "Body Heat". All of those movies are concidered realtively significant. He is also currently working on the screenplay for a movie that will be shot in 2006. That movie will star Tom Hanks among others. Michigan is certainly good at screenplay writing. I am not sure how good it is relative to other programs, but it certainly holds its own.</p>
<p>I'm actually not business (I'm premed), but I have alot of friends applying next year, that applied this year, and that are already in the business school. It is fairly competitive to get in, and I think they accept 50% of applicants. I think the GPA range is 3.2-3.8 (middle 50%), with the average at 3.6. Along with grades, the committe also looks at your extra curricular involvement (i.e. community service, pre business clubs, other things), so if you are qualified, it's pretty much a crap-shoot. More info is at umich.edu. Michigan is generally considered better than NYU stern (both grad and undergrad), but at NYU you will have the availibility of internships and connections on wall street. Make sure you visit both places. I thought NYU was the coolest college ever until I visited and discovered that the campus was washington square park surrounded by buildings that you wouldn't know were actually college buildings were they not laced with NYU flags. Also consider this, would you rather be a Wolverine, perhaps the most feared and respected name in collegiate athletics, or a violet? NYU is also WAY more expensive even for out of state. Michigan out of state is approximately 36k a year (tuition, room board, other stuff), whereas nyu is like 42k. On another note, famous michigan alumni in film, theatre, and television include James Earl Jones (voice of darth vader to keep with the star wars theme lol), lucy liu, gilda radner (original snl cast), mike wallace, and the late great arthur miller. You can go to nyu for film grad school if you really want to. (I'm thinking of applying there for med school).</p>
<p>"Michigan is generally considered better than NYU stern (both grad and undergrad), but at NYU you will have the availibility of internships and connections on wall street."</p>
<p>huh? This is news to me, considering Stern has a much much higher SAT average than Umich business school students and better job placement.</p>
<p>quaker,
There is no direct freshman admission to UMich Ross B-School so far,
How you can compare the SAT scores?
The direct freshman admission to Ross B-school will start next year (for just around 50 spaces). It will be crazy selective next year,look out!</p>
<p>Actually Quakerman, Michigan does not have a mean SAT score for Business school students since Business school majors must first complete two years at Michigan. But the mean SAT score, were it actually measured, would be somewhere between 1460-1500, which is about 50-90 points higher than the Stern mean. That is a rough estimate, but since the mean B school student is ranked among the top 10% of Michigan's student body, and the mean SAT score of the top 10% of Michigan's student body is between 1460 and 1500, it is safe to assume that the mean Business school student has an SAT score well over 1450. </p>
<p>As for placement, I would say Michigan is actually better than Stern. Stern is a one-trick pony. If your interest is IB, great...otherwise, forgetaboutit! In the case of Ross, you have companies from all industries (from GE and GM to Microsoft and Cisco), recruiting very heavily. And the Wall Street IBs also recruit heavily at Michigan. Last year, out of a class of 300, 18 joined JP Morgan (Michigan has an agreement with them), 4 joined Goldman Sachs, 4 joined Morgan Stanley and 3 joined Lehman Brothers. Furthermore, at least 20 others joined UBS, CS First Boston, Merrill Lynch etc...</p>
<p>There is a reason why Ross is ranked higher than Stern in most respected B-School ranking...both at the graduate and undergradute levels.</p>
<p>"But the mean SAT score, were it actually measured, would be somewhere between 1460-1500,"</p>
<p>Sure it would. The median at Stern is a high 1400 already. Second, Stern is definetely not a one trick pony. People get jobs in finance, accounting, consulting, marketing, etc. I know you went to Michigan, but let's be honest here. Don't give the wrong information to prospective college students. We will get to see how good it really is when it offers freshmen admissions, and I'm sure Stern will trump Mich for SAT/gpa. Last, the only real realistic ranking the FT, which is based on finance, has Stern above Michigan.</p>
<p>Last, the placements you show are much stronger at Stern, As you know, Stern is JMPs feeder school so anyone gets a job there, as well as with Merrill, and students place into Morgan Stanley and Goldman well too.</p>