<p>NYU has Stern, Tisch, one of the top 5 law schools in the country, one of the best math departments in the country, THE best philosophy department, and several other notables, in addition to prestige and an acceptance rate that is just below the Ivy's...so why then, is its rating on US News and World so low (somewhere in the 30s)?</p>
<p>My question also...</p>
<p>I think in some ways the list is flawed because it takes other matters into affect such as financial aid and how much money the alumni give back to NYU, both of which we all know are very low. If you look at acceptance rates and SAT scores, NYU's are higher than alot of schools that are ranked above NYU. From a pure difficulty to attend, NYU clearly ranks much higher, but how much does that mean?</p>
<p>nyu also ranks lower because we have a very low retention rate from freshmen to sophomore yr... this is because a lot of ppl transfer after 1 yr at nyu (mostly because a lot of ppl come here thinking they can handle the city, but they really cant) so US news sees this as a very bad quality and ranks us lower for this</p>
<p>US News has an Anti-New York bias. After you've moved to NYU and have been a New Yorker for several years, you'll get used to it. Grr...</p>
<p>EDIT: Get used to the bias, I mean.</p>
<p>oh dont get me wrong, i LOVE it here. i love the city, but not everyone loves it.... the city just isnt for some ppl</p>
<p>That comment wasn't directed at you, just people from lesser cities who can't handle the fact that New York beats them all :P</p>
<p>haha ok, just making sure</p>
<p>yeah although I am biased NYU easily qualifies to be in the top 20, espeically considering its international reputation (people in my country would be like TUFTS? GEORGETOWN WHERE ARE TEHY? but they know NYU)</p>
<p>yes.. i hate that ranking thing either
but i also heard some people saying that NYU is just famous for its location and few departments, meaning that the school is not well rounded like other Top Colleges...
they said thats why they dont consider NYU as one of the Top schools</p>
<p>I am so confused- i dont know where to attend</p>
<p>NYU cannot meet the financial need of students without wealth, and this separates it from ALL the true top schools in the US, and serves to lower the quality of the student body, in the end. The upshot of this lack is that many top students with financial need (who would otherwise select to attend NYU) do not. This has the effect of lowering some numbers, including, for instance, the 25-75 percentile SAT range, which tops off at 1410. If NYU could meet financial need it would probably climb to the next tier and become one of the top 20 schools and become truly elite. Until that time it will probably linger below #30, justifiably, despite its many strengths and merits.</p>
<p>I blame it on the GSP. It really pulls NYU as a whole down. If NYU was composed of CAS, Tisch, and Stern, I'm willing to bet it'd be in the top 20.</p>
<p>No --NYU will NEVER make it to the top 20 until it meets financial need like ALL OTHER SCHOOLS in the top 20. Without meeting need, NYU will continue to lose those top students (except for the top 5% selected to CAS, who get merit, but are often so strong they go to Ivy anyway.) NYU needs to clear this hurdle to attract and retain many of the best students that it selects. When that happens, NYU will be on the way to being elite --but not until.</p>
<p>i agree dylin. nyu has to lessen the #of people it takes. GSP students are an unecessary burden, why give them aid when other students that make it into one of the main schools(Tisch, Stern, CAS..)don't have their needs met? NYU should focus on quality rather than qauntity. majority of the kids that get GSPed are not the brightest people, some are and really don't belong there. it just puts undue pressure on the faculty and facilities(gym, dining, dorms....). NYU better set its priorities right if it wants to break top 20, because it has the tools and means necessary to achieve this target.</p>
<p>A lot of GSPers are far better qualified than a lot of the acceptances I've seen post stats. I think many things contribute to the GSP deferment. I know that I was GSPed with a 1390 SAT, a 3.8 u/w GPA, top 3% of my class and 9 AP classes when I graduate. I hate when people say GSPers do not belong at NYU.</p>
<p>Plus, even if some GSPers do have lower stats...who's to say that some 3 hour test can determine one's intelligence.</p>
<p>Agree with the fin aid statement - they'll keep losing prospective students to ivies and stanford that pay full rides for certain income brackets and to the other generous top schools.</p>
<p>I definitely disagree with the idea that GSP is what's bringing NYU down. Perhaps in SAT department, but that could probably also be said about students (not all, of course) in Steinhardt, Tisch, and Social Work. But GPA-wise they are at least equal with other people. I mean, I'm in Tisch and I have a 3.4 UW GPA. Plentyyyyy of gsp kids had higher GPAs than that. That's really an unfair statement. A lot of the ranking's issue is, as people have already said, the financial aid and the fact that there is a lower retention rate.</p>
<p>And remember --The issue of financial aid is not just an issue unto itself. The lack of aid snowballs into a lower level of student, overall, at NYU. NYU probably loses a significant percent of the top students that apply to the finaid issue, so even though it is relatively competitive to get in, it could be that the MOST competitive of these students end up elsewhere, and NYU is left with the lower 2/3 of acceptees who also happen to be sufficiently wealthy to foot the bill.</p>
<p>"A lot of GSPers are far better qualified than a lot of the acceptances I've seen post stats." I did say quite a few of the people that people that got GSPed do not belong there, including you. But it doesn't take away from the fact that a very large portion of GSPer do not belong in NYU because they are underqualified. Quite a large group. I know people who are very very underqualified get GSPedm, these same people will eventually graduate with the very same degree as you. I completely agree that a three hour test has nothing to do with your potential or talent, I myself didn't do too well in them. I have nothing against GSPers, its just that I would like to see NYU get more selective and accurately sort out students so that people like you that deserve to be in school be admitted and those that don't belong get rooted out. Only then can NYU take its place among the best institutions in the world.</p>
<p>Is GSP even counted in the SAT distribution?</p>
<p>i dont believe so, thats why GSP exists, to separate the kids with the lower stats</p>