<p>USNews explains it's rating system..</p>
<p>Personally, I think NYU should be in the lower 20s, upper 30s though.</p>
<p>to those of you who would bash GSP--
from Dean Schwarzbach's mouth:</p>
<p>"GSP students, especially those who enroll into Tisch...tend to graduate with a HIGHER GPA than those who remain in the same college for four years..."</p>
<p>Ask anyone who attended the meeting.</p>
<p>how can GSP be a burden? It's a two year program. You assume it's NYU special ed--who would they profit from this? What sense is there in bringing in "dumb" kids who can't hack it and will only be a burden upon their statistics, as you would have everyone believe. It allows equally bright students a chance to prove just how stellar they are--the adcoms obviously have a certain degree of faith in them. I'd bet their graduation rates are higher than the avg for the Univ. as a whole.</p>
<p>If your argument is that CAS students should receive more aid because they are, as you so illogically deem them: "smarter," then why not give out scholarships to only the VERY best? know why? because then you'd have about 50 full rides for Premed and Prelaw students, and everyone else gets shafted.</p>
<p>To get into NYU, you have to be really smart and really motivated, more so than the other 35000 applicants. Their aceptance rates are so high becuase if they dont offer alot of kids admission, they'll have too small of a class (which means less$$). I'd venture a guess that only about 50% of those accepted enroll.</p>
<p>Private universities are schools, yes, but they are also BUSINESSES. NYU has this trend of spending much of their budget--this is how NYU came to be NYU. Get better faculty, better facilities, better reputation, and then you can be super-selective. And it's correct that, until they can promise to meet 100% of a student's need, they just won't rank top 20. What good is a school if you can't afford to attend?</p>
<p>NYU is where it belongs --without meeting financial need of students it accepts, it loses many of the most stellar admitees to other schools, and that brings everything down. These students do NOT go into debt to attend NYU --they go to schools that meet the need. It is okay to give merit as well, but at the very top schools, all accepted students are so excellent that ALL deserve to have need met --until NYU can meet need it will be a notch below.</p>
<p>I will predict one thing, however...</p>
<p>NYU will rise in the USNews rankings, just might take some time</p>
<p>Keep in mind that NYU's poor retention rate is also closely connected with its financial aid practices. </p>
<p>One thing that kind of scared me a little this year is that my daughter is applying for 2 outside scholarships that will amount to $15K -- of course she is not the only applicant, but these are local and at least there is not a huge amount of competition for these. With an extra $15K, we could afford the first year at NYU, assuming that NYU didn't use that as an excuse to rescind its grant offer.... but then what about year #2? </p>
<p>And I wonder how many kids go in with some initial first-year boost because they have an outside scholarship, or they are willing to spend all of their accumulated college savings right off the bat -- but then they find they can't afford the second year. </p>
<p>Anyway... I'm glad my daughter has a better option. </p>
<p>For what its worth, she really enjoyed the Gallatin University Day reception and thinks it sounds like a really great school. But when it comes down to it, she also realized that her LAC alternative offers essentially the same program, with possibly even more flexibility -- plus the promise that it will meet 100% need AND limit the total amount of loans.</p>
<p>calmom-if im not mistaken, any aid you recieve causes the finaid office to deduct from loans first--they wont rescind on scholarships from the school unless you more than cover loans, grants, federal aid, etc.</p>
<p>i very well might be the kind to transfer out after freshman year--i hope not, but who knows? its a hefty bill. i come from a single-parent household, yearly salary less than cost of tuition. i will have to take out about 15k/year, and i'll have to commute.</p>
<p>i read on one of these forums that gallatin is regarded in a less than favorable light. "just keep pretending its a real school!" i think was the expression. if you major in something totally eccentric and out there, i dont know how big of a job market will be open. then again, if its just a tweak on a conventional major, ie: biochem vs biochem technology and applications, i dont think there will be much trouble.</p>
<p>im only relfecting what ive seen/heard.</p>
<p>I had a 1550 on the old SAT and can't attend NYU due to financial reasons, god knows how many others out there are like me</p>
<p>Yes we all know about NYU's financial aid practices. Whatever the reason for it, it certainly excludes a lot of qualified kids from attending the school. </p>
<p>As for the GSP students, I do believe they will be just as successful as regular students but on average their "stats" are still generally lower than regular acceptances. Im pretty sure these do factor into NYU's average SAT statistics as well. Again, this is just my personal opinion, but I believe NYU accepts people into GSP for a number of reasons, one of them being that many of these kids may be able to pay full tuition(others include low sat, high GPA or vice versa). Regardless of the real reason, I don't think its fair to blame them for the reason the school isnt ranked higher.</p>
<p>I feel the lack of endowment and bad financial aid hurts the school. If you go to sites like studentsreview.com they say it also hurts the overall student experience. Many people seem to be constantly stressed/complaining about money because they don't have any!</p>
<p>My apologies ahead of time to the UGAdmissions if i said something inappropriate in this post. NYU is a fantastic school, I wish I could be fortunate enough to go.</p>
<p>No reason to apologize at all! You guys are certainly entitled to your opinions. However, one of our primary reasons for posting on this site is to correct wrong information that is passed off as gospel in these types of forums. So to that end, let me note a couple things...</p>
<p>First, a school "meeting full need" does not necessarily mean that they do so by providing what is commonly known as gift money (scholarships or grants.) With the notable exception of the Ivies, most schools that meet full need do so with a combination of financial aid, including student loans. That is not to say that these schools might not offer you more significant packages (they definitely may), but it does mean that these packages are likely to include self-help money as well as straight scholarship or grants.</p>
<p>The retention rate for undergraduates at NYU (freshmen year to sophomore year) is 92%. The overall graduation rate (students who begin as freshmen who graduate from NYU) is 80%.</p>
<p>Always be encouraged to do your research guys! Every school (NYU included) has detailed statistical information available on-line about everything from financial aid to career placement to geographic distribution of the study body. The best way to make sure you get your questions answered correctly is by taking it upon yourself to become more informed based on actual information and not solely opinions.</p>
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First, a school "meeting full need" does not necessarily mean that they do so by providing what is commonly known as gift money (scholarships or grants.) With the notable exception of the Ivies, most schools that meet full need do so with a combination of financial aid, including student loans.
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It is highly unusual for any school that claims to meet full name to include more than about $7000 in the loan package, through a combination of Stafford & Perkins loans. The better schools limit the loan amount for the first year to $2625, which is the maximum amount available with Stafford. The maximum amount for a Perkins loan is $4000 - so for a school that meets full need, the maximum amount in student loans would be $6625. </p>
<p>I appreciate your taking the time to post, but I feel compelled to respond because you simply are misrepresenting what other colleges do. No matter which way you cut it, other college that NYU competes with give far better financial aid. </p>
<p>Also, a freshman retention rate of 92% puts NYU in about 40th place among national universities- below the University of Georgia (93%) - so it's nothing to brag about.</p>
<p>Calmom - As an admissions professional, I am simply here to provide students with factual information about our school and admissions process. I am unclear about why you feel the need to criticize the information that we are trying to make available for students who are interested in our school. You have every right to your personal opinion about NYU, but your negativity seems uncalled for. If you feel so strongly that NYU is an institution that is not worth a student's time, I'm not sure why you continue to post here.</p>
<p>You posted misleading information. It is not "negativity" to directly respond to and disagree with your comments. </p>
<p>Your presence here is welcome, but this not the NYU public relations board. This is the College Confidential board. The function of the various topics is to provide a forum for objective and open commentary.</p>
<p>calmom i don't see anyone bragging. admission is just providing the plain stats without any bias. only one that is being aggressive is you.</p>
<p>I would say everyone's opinion on this board is inherently biased, including the admissions officer. I agree with calmom's assertion that this board is meant to be an objective place for information, not only from what the admissions officers say. If kids/parents really wanted that advice I think they would just email/call the school. I am hesitant to trust everything admissions officers have to say because their job is to provide and sometimes sugarcoat information in order to encourage students to attend. No admissions officer I have ever talked to has had anything negative to say about his/her respective school. </p>
<p>It seems recently there has been more and more tension on this board, and im not going to speculate why that is. I'd say a lot of the "negativity" by some people here should be encouraged; it allows for opposing viewpoints on certain matters concerning the university. I really do think this is the purpose of CC.</p>
<p>Saying that GSP kids are dumb is a dumb comment in itself. A lot of GSP have amazing stats.
I was accepted through GSP. Sure, I don't have the highest SAT scores. But I have a 3.9 GPA (and that's unweighted), I rank number 1 in my school and I have taken the hardest course load that I could handle. So don't tell me I'm not good enough just because my SAT grades weren't that high.
And also, to reflect on this thread's subject, I have to say that low SAT scores are not what's keeping NYU down on the rankings. It's the financial aid and the retention rate. Aid is horrible at NYU. That's what's keeping the brightest students from attending.</p>
<p>i have to agree with paleridden</p>
<p>i mean....if SAT scores were truly indicative of intelligence....then maybe, but they arent....so too bad</p>
<p>i think if NYU accepted less students.....then itd help them...seeing as they have the most applicants in the U.S</p>
<p>Calmom has has a clear anti-NYU slant throughout numerous posts on this board. It's quite evident along the fact that she has a disinclination to provide substantitive argumentation.</p>
<p>Ryan2288, everyone is biased. What matters is relative bias and a conscious attempt to provide some objectivity to the discussion. NYU's rep on the boards provided some facts without distorting them. They need to be taken in context but they're certainly not misleading.</p>
<p>I agree that NYU should provide better financial aid and merit scholarships to attract more smart middle class people and increase yield. I also think NYU has to drastically reduce class size, this can be done by cutting down or getting rid of GSP. Seriously, the school has no business being as big as it is numbers wise. It needs to build more stuff for fewer students. NYU is raising a ton of money for more scholarships and better facilities and should go up in the rankings in the future. I'd also expect class size to be reduced in the future. </p>
<p>Calmom seems anti-NYU (jealous maybe). Also, this "NYU UGA Admissions" is a complete buffoon, I mean I love the school, but his answers are the biggest P.R. garbage and not very accurate, they are as much as joke as the admisisons bulletin board on NYU's website.</p>
<p>ABIRCH its a she.</p>
<p>He or she it doesn't matter, I stand by my point.</p>