<p>Okay, so I have a problem with the US News rankings. I hate the fact that NYU is ranked a measley 33rd and other universities are ranked higher than NYU that shouldn't even belong there. What is their problem? And even CC doesn't rank NYU as one of their top universities?? Does anyone know why? I don't see many other universities offering unparalleled internships and study abroad opportunities like NYU. This seriously angers me.</p>
<p>Why care so much?</p>
<p>If the rankings are valid, then that means there are areas in which other schools best NYU. NYU may be tops in internships and study abroad (which was one of my big reasons for choosing it), but there are many areas in which NYU lags behind other top colleges - fin aid, yield, to some extent admission rate, average incoming SAT and GPA. Those are a lot easier to quantify than internships and study abroad, or even the quality of liberal arts instruction (if you want an apples-to-apples comparison between colleges, which is never quite possible anyway).</p>
<p>And if you don’t agree with the criteria, who cares? What matters is that NYU fits your definition of a school you’d want to attend.</p>
<p>Don’t worry about it. A lot of it is based on SAT/GPA…where for Tisch 50% of admission is based on the auditioning factor. The combined stats of Stern and CAS are very high, but you are right there are some random schools like Vanderbilt, Emory, WashU…they are definately not higher. Take a look at the World Rankings though…there was a post I put up and NYU crushes Georgetown, Darmouth, Virginia, etc.</p>
<p>NYU crushes Georgetown, Virginia, Dartmouth? You sure about that?</p>
<p>Yeah I am not sure if that is accurate, but I get your point.</p>
<p>sorry, but no. NYU does not crush Georgetown or Dartmouth. (don’t know a lot about Virginia!)</p>
<p>do what school are you in at NYU, shaba? you make a lot of posts defending NYU but i don’t remember what school you’re in.</p>
<p>I really don’t think rankings matter at all because every ranking is different. At any given moment I could search for two different rankings and get completely conflicting info so don’t even worry about all that. NYU is an amazing institution and you don’t need a ranking or list to tell you that.</p>
<p>NYU wins as a UNIVERSITY because Dartmouth is a college. They are talking grad, not undergrad. Dartmouth being ranked as a grad school at all is funny, since they barely have any grad students.</p>
<p>NYU I believe belongs at 33. Look at its endowment and spending per student.</p>
<p>33 is still amazing.</p>
<p>That was last year’s ranking, which used NYU’s acceptance rate from 2007 which was like 36%. I’m pretty sure it’ll jump in the new 2010 rankings that’ll be out this summer.</p>
<p>Yeah, the new rankings for NYU should be different since it is so much more selective.</p>
<p>I’m gonna attend Amherst after a gap year this fall, but I am a fan of NYU</p>
<p>This is the ranking of the top 50 universities in the world the Academic Ranking of World Universities. It was developed by Shanghai Jiao Tung University and is one of the most respected indexes in academic and governmental circles. It does not cover the arts or professions where NYU is often #1 (film, theatre) or in the top 10 e.g. law, business. Look it up in Wikipedia for an explanation of the complex methodology:</p>
<p>Institution* Region Regional Rank Country National Rank Score on Alumni Score on Award Score on HiCi Score on N&S Score on PUB Score on PCP Total Score
1 Harvard University Americas 1 1 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 69.2 100.0<br>
2 University of California, Berkeley Americas 2 2 67.6 79.3 69.0 70.9 70.6 54.2 72.4<br>
3 Stanford University Americas 3 3 40.2 78.4 87.6 68.4 69.7 50.1 72.1<br>
4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) Americas 4 4 70.5 80.3 66.8 70.1 61.4 64.5 71.4<br>
5 University of Cambridge Europe 1 1 88.5 92.6 53.9 54.3 65.7 53.1 69.6<br>
6 California Institute of Technology Americas 5 5 50.3 68.8 56.7 64.8 46.9 100.0 64.4<br>
7 Princeton University Americas 6 6 56.4 84.8 61.1 43.3 44.3 65.5 60.8<br>
8 Columbia University Americas 7 7 70.7 67.4 56.2 47.6 69.9 32.1 60.4<br>
9 University of Chicago Americas 8 8 65.5 83.9 50.9 39.8 50.5 40.0 57.3<br>
10 University of Oxford Europe 2 2 56.2 57.6 48.8 49.8 68.5 41.1 56.4<br>
11 Yale University Americas 9 9 48.6 44.9 58.5 56.3 62.0 37.0 54.6<br>
12 Cornell University Americas 10 10 42.3 51.1 54.3 49.9 59.5 38.1 52.6<br>
13 University of California, Los Angeles Americas 11 11 27.2 42.6 56.9 49.2 75.1 31.2 52.2<br>
14 University of California, San Diego Americas 12 12 15.1 35.8 60.2 54.6 65.1 37.9 50.0<br>
15 University of Pennsylvania Americas 13 13 32.9 34.3 57.1 46.9 68.6 28.5 49.0<br>
16 University of Washington Americas 14 14 24.4 31.7 53.9 51.6 72.5 28.1 48.7<br>
17 University of Wisconsin - Madison Americas 15 15 36.5 35.4 51.9 40.2 66.1 25.7 46.4<br>
18 The Johns Hopkins University Americas 16 16 43.6 32.1 42.0 49.4 64.0 27.2 46.0<br>
18 University of California, San Francisco Americas 16 17 0.0 40.1 53.4 51.8 60.7 33.6 46.0<br>
20 The University of Tokyo Asia/Pacific 1 1 33.3 14.1 42.0 52.0 80.4 34.5 45.9<br>
21 University College London Europe 3 3 32.9 32.1 39.4 44.6 67.0 31.6 44.4<br>
22 University of Michigan - Ann Arbor Americas 18 18 36.5 0.0 59.8 43.4 79.8 26.3 44.2<br>
23 Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich Europe 4 1 34.1 36.1 36.3 43.6 53.6 47.1 43.4<br>
24 Kyoto University Asia/Pacific 2 2 33.7 34.7 38.1 36.0 67.6 31.0 43.1<br>
25 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Americas 19 19 35.4 36.5 42.6 37.1 58.6 27.8 42.6<br>
26 The Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine Europe 5 4 17.7 37.2 41.4 36.9 62.3 33.0 41.9<br>
27 University of Toronto Americas 20 1 23.8 19.2 38.8 38.3 80.3 27.9 41.8<br>
28 University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Americas 21 20 30.6 16.2 50.4 36.1 66.6 23.9 40.6<br>
29 Northwestern University Americas 22 21 18.5 18.9 48.3 35.9 59.7 28.4 38.4<br>
30 Washington University in St. Louis Americas 23 22 21.3 25.9 38.8 41.0 54.8 26.7 38.1<br>
31 New York University Americas 24 23 32.4 24.4 40.7 36.2 54.4 22.4 37.8<br>
32 University of California, Santa Barbara Americas 25 24 16.0 35.1 42.0 33.3 42.6 37.3 37.1<br>
32 University of Colorado at Boulder Americas 25 24 14.1 30.7 38.8 41.7 44.7 33.5 37.1<br>
34 Rockefeller University Americas 27 26 19.2 58.4 28.8 42.3 21.0 35.6 36.7<br>
35 Duke University Americas 28 27 17.7 0.0 45.8 42.2 62.0 24.4 35.3<br>
36 University of British Columbia Americas 29 2 17.7 18.9 32.2 30.8 65.7 23.7 34.7<br>
36 University of Maryland, College Park Americas 29 28 22.0 19.9 41.4 29.0 53.6 26.2 34.7<br>
38 The University of Texas at Austin Americas 31 29 18.5 16.6 46.1 28.4 54.4 24.7 34.5<br>
39 Pierre and Marie Curie University - Paris 6 Europe 6 1 34.8 23.5 24.9 28.8 59.9 21.9 34.2<br>
40 University of Copenhagen Europe 7 1 26.1 24.1 26.0 26.0 56.4 32.3 33.4<br>
41 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Americas 32 30 10.7 16.2 39.4 27.7 60.6 23.9 33.3<br>
42 Karolinska Institute Europe 8 1 26.1 27.2 31.4 20.5 49.9 38.1 33.2<br>
43 Pennsylvania State University - University Park Americas 33 31 11.9 0.0 46.6 37.4 56.1 23.2 32.6<br>
44 The University of Manchester Europe 9 5 23.2 18.9 27.9 28.0 59.1 23.1 32.4<br>
45 University of Paris Sud (Paris 11) Europe 10 2 31.7 46.0 12.5 20.8 49.9 23.6 32.3<br>
46 University of California, Davis Americas 34 32 0.0 0.0 47.2 31.7 63.0 26.0 32.0<br>
46 University of California, Irvine Americas 34 32 0.0 29.3 36.7 26.3 49.3 26.9 32.0<br>
46 University of Southern California Americas 34 32 0.0 26.7 38.8 26.3 53.1 20.0 32.0<br>
49 The University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas Americas 37 35 20.6 33.1 30.5 29.9 38.4 23.5 31.8<br>
50 Utrecht University Europe 11 1</p>
<p>IMO, NYU is another university whose individual colleges are best considered individually, rather than aggregated. Also I don’t think the conventional academic ranking bodies out there really do justice to a place like Tisch.</p>
<p>We have some absolutely fantastic programs, and some that, in my opinion, should be cut. I do think that rankings hold a good amount of weight in attracting students, and a lot of people indeed pay a great amount of attention to them (why else would they publish new ones every year if they werent making ridiculous profits?). I think unless we take certain steps, NYU is going to remain in the 30s. Here is what I would do:</p>
<p>1) Stop some of this expansion. This is funny because I was initially a really big proponent of it, but I feel if we keep on adding campuses, we will accept a larger amount of students to fill up the campuses, bringing the selectivity down. I think what we did in Abu Dhabi was ingenious, what with not having to pay for really any of it and attracting a completely different student body that might have not considered nyu initially (I hope they get factored into the rankings, lol). If we stop spending money on stupid stuff like campuses in Washington D.C., and instead put that money into more financial aid, we would increase in rankings a good amount.
2) Accept less kids. We have a very high acceptance rate, and a yield rate that is a bit embarrassing. Rejecting more kids would bring down our acceptance rate, and although it might not benefit our yield rate, it would bring average GPA and SAT scores up.
3) Get more accomplished professors. We have the endowment to pay professors a salary competitive to that at Harvard, and if we could steal more accomplished professors from those at places like HYPMS, it would help us out immensely. (When one of your professors used to be the director of a high school newspaper, you start feeling a little weird about spending this much money to go to school.). H3ll, some of the NYC Prep schools in Manhattan have more accomplished faculty than we do. Dont build new dorms, invest in the education that we are receiving. After all, wont new dorms mean that they are planning on accepting even MORE students?
4) Shrink LSP. No offense, but they do bring down our averages. I know I am going to take a lot of heat for this, but NYU is not a community college. Either accept applicants, or dont. It is stupid to put them in this weird limbo. What we lose in tuition dollars we gain in prestige. Plus, the school is overcrowded, and if we accept less people, then we dont have to build more dorms and facilities, and AGAIN can invest that money in FA, and a more prestigious faculty.</p>
<p>Woody, your post makes so much sense; it frustrates the hell out of me that Sexton doesn’t think as you do.</p>
<p>Who seriously cares about rankings after high school? Even in HS it was the anal kids with their insecure parents buying every issue of Princeton review and taking it so seriously. The most miserable person I ever met at NYU confessed to me he chose it over Boston College because NYU was ranked 1 spot higher! Ended up transferring to BC and is probably much happier now.<a href=“When%20one%20of%20your%20professors%20used%20to%20be%20the%20director%20of%20a%20high%20school%20newspaper,%20you%20start%20feeling%20a%20little%20weird%20about%20spending%20this%20much%20money%20to%20go%20to%20school.”>quote</a>
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One of my professors used to be a plumber, and now he is a highly accomplished scientist with 2 doctorates who has won many awards, brings in a lot of grant money and is known for his research.
Our yield rate is so low because we are known for having the worst Financial Aid in the country. Fact is many apply hoping for a scholarship or decent aid, very few get it, and naturally they go to schools they can afford. Offering better financial aid or lowering our bloated tuition would do wonders for our yield rate, mean students could graduate without a ridiculous amount of debt, bring in more applications, and result in a more diverse student body, not just rich kids. </p>
<p>I agree about the expansion though, it’s getting ridiculous.</p>
<p>Different rankings have different methodologies. Considering NYU’s bloated size, I find it quite amazing that we’re ranked as high as 30s in USNWR – our FA sucks, our endowment per student isn’t great, our tuition and costs suck, yet Sexton thinks the solution is expansion? I don’t get it. How many of the very top private schools have 20,000 undergraduates? If things were downsized a bit, everything would come together much more nicely. In more purely academic rankings, we rank much higher, because across the board our departments are on par with top, top schools.</p>