<p>You are going to get it when she replies tomorrow. NYUGadmissions is like the vice principle around here...</p>
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I agree that NYU should provide better financial aid and merit scholarships to attract more smart middle class people and increase yield. I also think NYU has to drastically reduce class size, this can be done by cutting down or getting rid of GSP. Seriously, the school has no business being as big as it is numbers wise. It needs to build more stuff for fewer students. NYU is raising a ton of money for more scholarships and better facilities and should go up in the rankings in the future. I'd also expect class size to be reduced in the future.
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<p>From what I hear most of the fundraising is actually going into hiring more professors and improving its facilities, rather than into financial aid. I remember the president saying something along the lines of 'there are a lot of unqualified professors at NYU.' </p>
<p>And I agree partially with both calmom and ABirchIII in that UGAdmissions' facts, while accurate, portray a misleading impression.</p>
<p>I don't care who she is Ryan--I've already been though the admissions process so her position in NYU's admissions office is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. This board is for different ideas and discussions, not some PR spin that she is attempting on high school kids. Again, I'm very pro-NYU but she shouldn't be giving some spun version of the facts that insults people intelligence--that's the kind of thing you'll find on NYU admissions bulletin boards, a bunch of inaccurate answers, CC is a different creature.</p>
<p>Y17K: Where did you hear that? I've heard that while most of the money is going to new facilities and things, which NYU does need, a lot is still going for scholarships.</p>
<p>I am not anti-NYU. I also have posted positive comments about the programs offered in other threads in this section. But I am upset with ANY college that tries to package or characterize parent-PLUS loans as part of "meeting need". That is highly misleading and confusing to people who are not familiar with the financial aid process. </p>
<p>I have been doing my best to post accurate, helpful financial aid information on the CC board for several years now. NYU's loan package is written in a way that mischaracterizes unmet need as a loan.
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Financial Aid Package: **
The complete collection of grants, scholarships, loans and work-study employment from all sources (federal, state, institutional and private) offered to a student to enable them to attend the college or university. **Note that unsubsidized Stafford loans and PLUS loans are not considered part of the financial aid package, since these financing options are available to the family to help them meet the EFC.
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See: FinAid: Answering your Questions: Glossary - <a href="http://www.finaid.org/questions/glossary.phtml#f%5B/url%5D">http://www.finaid.org/questions/glossary.phtml#f</a></p>
<p>I don't like seeing kids from families of limited means making the mistake of taking on huge debt of $20K or more per year for their educations. No undergraduate education is worth that kind of debt -- it doesn't matter what the school is. I am not talking about subsidized Stafford and Perkins loan, which are limited as to total amount that may be offered, for good reasons. I am talking about the practice of labeling the unmet need portion of an aid package as a "PLUS Loan".</p>
<p><a href="http://campaign.nyu.edu/%5B/url%5D">http://campaign.nyu.edu/</a> gives a breakdown of where the funds raised are to go - click "One Future" and then the pie chart for it.</p>
<p>I have some problems with your statements, ABirch III.</p>
<p>Cutting GSP isn't going to decrease class size - it's just going to eliminate GSP and put professors out of work. For example, my Physical Chemistry II class has 60-70 people in it. Is getting rid of a GSP class going to free up a professor so we can split my class into two smaller lectures? Absolutely not - professors are not exchangeable. I think this argument is nonsense - what's going to decrease class size is an increase in classroom space and professors who are qualified to teach their subject areas. Of course, this requires money from NYU.</p>
<p>As for NYU being too big, what? I don't understand this argument. How is it too big? Is the staff:student ratio not good enough? Is there not enough housing? What is it?</p>
<p>I don't understand why NYU needs "more stuff for fewer students." Again, is there not enough to begin with? What's lacking?</p>
<p>As I see it, it boils down to each school having its own problems. NYU doesn't have a large enough endowment, Harvard has bad student-access to professors, etc. When choosing a college, you pick what you love and what you can live with.</p>
<p>I was being sarcastic ABIRCH in reference to the Vice Principle comment.</p>
<p>I agree with Calmom actually on the PLUS Loans being very misleading. When my mom and I met with a financial councelor last weekend at the UDay reception individually, she suggested I go to an outside lender like Citibank or Sallie Mae and I had the option of making that a student loans or a loan under my parents name...this sounds a lot like just money you have to pay. PLUS loans is not meeting the need. It's only an option, like any other options if the school were to not give out any aid.</p>
<p>i dont think NYU UGA ADMISSIONS is misleading. she is just putting out information out there...which I find is not misleading at all. of course she may be a little biased towards NYU, she works there. heck, i dont even go there yet and im already biased for it. most boards on collegeconfidential do not even have a college rep so we shouldn't **** ours off and lose a valuable resource.</p>
<p>As both an NYU employee and a graduate of the University I certainly have a lot of pride in NYU as an institution and I am sorry if that (or my professional tone) is considered "pr garbage" on this board. As someone who actually attended an undergraduate college here, as is true of many people on our Committee, I think I have a unique perspective on what it's like to be in your shoes... weighing your options, reaching out to current students for information, trying to get honest responses about the school, and determining as a family if the expense of the school will be manageable. As an alum I am completely aware of both the positive and negative aspects of NYU as a school, financial and otherwise, so I don't think that there is any reason to believe that the information I am providing here on behalf of NYU is inaccurate, sugar-coated, or purposefully dishonest. </p>
<p>I think it might be helpful to clarify again why we have chosen to participate in this forum. It is not to dominate the conversation, mislead students, argue back and forth, or promote a specific agenda. It is simply to help you get correct information by setting the record straight, particularly when there are so many other individuals posting here claiming to be affiliated with our school and, in some cases, our office. I am sorry that an honest attempt to help students here has been misconstrued as something malicious. </p>
<p>More and more we (and our colleagues at other schools) find that students and families are woefully misinformed about the college admissions process and how each and every school approaches it differently. (Case in point, a student who told me recently that he heard from "a friend" that we only admitted 12(!) students to the Tisch film program every year. There are actually about 250 students in the freshmen class.) One of our largest roles as counselors is helping to demystify our admissions review for families and it concerns me that so many people completely distrust the information that we have to offer, but are happy to put faith in completely unsubstantiated sources. If you don't want to believe that we are being truthful, that is your right. But in the long run it's certainly not going to help your familiarity with our school or application review. </p>
<p>I think it's perfectly fair to encourage students to seek out and utilize those resources that are offered by every school in this country to help them through the college admissions process at their specific school. I'm not sure how encouraging students to do this (as I did earlier in this thread) is seen as misrepresenting these other institutions. Again, if you'd rather get your information solely from unaffiliated sources, that is your call. But it's not the other people on this forum who are going to be evaluating your application some day.</p>
<p>Im not sure if we are discussing the process on what exactly your board looks at when evaluating applicants. I think its more or less a comparison of your school's financial aid policies versus others. Indeed there will always be opinions going both ways, and unless they are completely misleading, I think all opinions should be valued(especially students that attend the school). I don't completely buy the "hype" that NYU's administration is unreasonable, strict, and sometimes dishonest; even though that is what I seem to read and hear from alum around here. I really do like NYU and wanted to attend your university, I feel it would have been a great fit for my personality. It's unfortunate that I can't attend. I feel awful that you perceive our skepticism to be complete negativity. I appreciate your comments, but it's hard to be completely trusting. You say that you "know the negatives and positives" about NYU, but it seems you are only voicing the positives. Which as I said in a previous post, is your job.</p>
<p>ryan- in the above post, how was he plugging for NYU? show me. You cannot find a single iota of sales pitch or superiority. its a balanced view.</p>
<p>Matt, I think Ryan was responding to the disconnect in this statement: But it's not the other people on this forum who are going to be evaluating your application some day. The people posting in this thread are students, or parents of students, who have already been admitted. So a remark like that is rather patronizing - especially since this is not a "chances" thread but rather one discussing NYU's ranking, and in particular the effect of NYU's financial aid practices on the ranking & prestige level. </p>
<p>This thread isn't about how the NYU admissions dept. views its applicants; its about how the applicants -- and in particular the admitted students -- view the school. So obviously it is the opinions of the "unaffiliated sources" -- both positive and negative - that are the most important in that context. They really shouldn't be treated so dismissively.</p>
<p><em>whistles</em></p>
<p>I just want to say that despite my cynicism I do appreciate the admissions officer that posts on this board. She provides us with information that is valuable to students who are looking to apply to NYU. Thank you for posting here.</p>
<p>NYU UGADMISSIONS or anyone else who may know -- Do you know anything about philosophy as an undergraduate major? Is it popular/unpopular? Is it comparable to graduate studies in philosophy or do they not have any relation? I'd like to know if any of the faculty (who teach graduate) teach undergrad classes... etc. In short, I just want to know about undergraduate philosophy at NYU.</p>
<p>I don't want to hijack the thread or anything, but it is related to NYU's rankings and is actually more on topic than the present discussion.</p>
<p>Although I'm not familiar with the philosophy major at NYU, I do know that it's one of the best programs and very recognized throughout the nation</p>
<p>Thanks eatsfish... Good to know.</p>
<p>Any one else know anything about NYU philosophy? Do they only have analytical or is continental philosophy taught as well?</p>
<p>Most of your questions will be answered at this site. Good luck.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.philosophicalgourmet.com/%5B/url%5D">http://www.philosophicalgourmet.com/</a></p>
<p>NYU UGADMISSIONS. I have a question for you.</p>
<p>Is there any international students receiving the CAS Presidential Honors Scholarsip ($25k)?</p>