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<p>Being an international student, I think I can say by experience that Toefl doesn't really test one's English speaking and writing skills, somewhat similar to SAT as you guys put it. Here at my place, we don't prepare much for it, and some students even consider it a joke and don't take it. Besides it is outrageously expensive. :D</p>

<p>I guess Aberine is good enough in English speaking and writing that she decided to ask if TOEFL can be waived and also if the medium of teaching at her particular college is English then she doesn't need to give TOEFL. Since she didn't defend herself or answer RLT's questions so I again guess that you guy's assumption about her English ability might be right.</p>

<p>Aberine, is it true?</p>

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<p>At the risk of being stoned, I'll come to Aberine's defense. None of us know the extent of her English abilities or why she chose to request that the TOEFL be waived. Smith is certainly entitiled not to waive it, and they likely have good reasons for not doing so. However, it seems that they should have at least replied to her request and rudeness is never warranted.</p>

<p>As far as why she is not defending herself -- why should she? There are a lot of nice and very helpful people on this forum, but there is also one very critical and contentious individual on this board this year. Why enter into a "debate" with him and suffer his rudeness? The trouble with "winning" an argument on an Internet forum, is that even when you win, you're still an idiot.</p>

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<p>'There are a lot of nice and very helpful people on this forum, but there is also one very critical and contentious individual on this board this year. Why enter into a "debate" with him and suffer his rudeness? The trouble with "winning" an argument on an Internet forum, is that even when you win, you're still an idiot.'</p>

<p>Thank you for saying what I couldn't find the courage to say. :)</p>

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<p>{{However, it seems that they should have at least replied to her request and rudeness is never warranted}}</p>

<p>How do you know they didn't? </p>

<p>Before you start throwing stones, you may want to investigate and learn the facts. I’m sorry I’m not warm and fuzzy enough for your liking, but I’ll not let the op, or anyone else, criticize Smith (probably back she was denied) without all the facts being presented.
What was Aberine’s intent when she posted? The post was nothing more than a negative critique of Smith’s admission staff and policies.</p>

<p>{{Smith didn’t say anything... in fact I contacted them on several occasions and they were not nice... they were not even helpful...(}}</p>

<p>Aberine made a statement accusing Smith of being rude and “not nice” without backing up her statement. I’ve never known Smith to be non-responsive, and it seems to me if she was accepted instead of denied, Smith would have been one of the greatest colleges in the country.</p>

<p>I simply asked Aberine <em>why</em> she didn’t submit a TOFEL. That was rude? If either of you consider my statements or questions rude, I’m sorry. I guess we have a different definition of rude.</p>

<p>Would you apply to Smith and then ask to have the SAT waived?
If every other international student is required to submit the TOFEL, why should one student be allowed to circumvent the requirements and then complain because they weren't allowed to do so? Would that be fair to every student who played by the rules? </p>

<p>If either of you were international students, worked hard to pass the TOFEL, not to mention the cost, only to find another was exempt from the test, would you be so willing to defend that student?</p>

<p>{{also if the medium of teaching at her particular college is English then she doesn't need to give TOEFL}}</p>

<p>Where are you coming up with this stuff.? Aberine never once hinted or stated she was being taught in English. Why would you make that presumption without facts?</p>

<p>I don’t care how well Aberine spoke English. She <em>never</em> said she was extremely proficient, did she?
If either of you decide to matriculate to Smith, I suggest you both learn that no self-respecting Smith woman will sit back and let their college be slandered or libeled. Same goes for parents and alumnae. Either of you even consider for a moment the sentiments I posted were those of my Smithie wife too?</p>

<p>I appreciate you both came to the defense of a fellow applicant and have some sympathy b/c she was rejected, but I still maintain she brought the decision upon herself. If not sugar-coating the facts goes against your idea of <em>kindness</em>-- oh well. </p>

<p>And if you think I was rude, just wait until you get into a heated political discussion or conversation with certain students at a couple competitive women’s colleges-lol</p>

<p>Seriously though, if I offended your sense of fair play or came across as more inconsiderate as I truly am, I do apologize.</p>

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<p>I just saw a post here but by the time I finished logging in to write a reply, it was gone. :cool:</p>

<p>I think aberine just wanted people's opinion on her situation and having applied to Smith and being a CC member, she has got the full right to write here. Anyone (accepted, rejected, waitlisted) has the full right and personally I don't find her post wrong in its content. Besides I don't think we loose anything or make a fool of ourselves by arguing for the right thing, I guess it depends again and also why be scared to shout the truth?</p>

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<p>{{she has got the full right to write here. }}</p>

<p>Never said she didn’t</p>

<p>{{I guess it depends again and also why be scared to shout the truth}}</p>

<p>And what exactly is “the truth?” :)</p>

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<p>{{also if the medium of teaching at her particular college is English then she doesn't need to give TOEFL}}</p>

<p>{Where are you coming up with this stuff.? Aberine never once hinted or stated she was being taught in English. Why would you make that presumption without facts?}</p>

<p>I didn't mention that she IS being taught in English, I used " I guess", duh!!! I repeat again here, the reason why she wanted her colleges to waive TOEFL MIGHT be that she is being taught in English and is good at it. </p>

<p>If you are being taught in English for many years, you don't need to sit for TOEFL e.g. Middlebury waives the test in that situation and specially if you are doing the IB like me. Some people are just too sensitive and protective like an egg and this is a simile so please don't attack me, I just used some literary device to support my claim. :D</p>

<p>NO OFFECE at all,,plz.</p>

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<p>you don't want to know the truth, do you? :D and I don't want to check someone's previous posts to substantiate my claim. By the way, that particular sentence was for those other two posters. PEACE!</p>

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<p>repeat again here, the reason why she wanted her colleges to waive TOEFL MIGHT be that she is being taught in English and is good at it. }}</p>

<p>You’re absolutely correct. Very good point.:) However, if that were the case, I wish she had said so. But the fact Princeton didn’t waive the test led me to believe she wasn’t taught in English. But again, even if she was, there was no need to unduly defame the admission officers, imo</p>

<p>{you don't want to know the truth, do you?}}By the way, that particular sentence was for those other two posters. PEACE}</p>

<p>Oh, sorry, as I hang my head down in embarrassment.</p>

<p>btw- what are you doing up at 2:00 AM? :)
Are you applying to Midd?</p>

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<p>You may be a question bank but I am definitely not your answer.com besides I have better things to do, so adios to this thread! :D</p>

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<p>Wow, there's someone who definitely belongs on the Jolt rather than this board.</p>

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<p>Well you are all realy quick on judgements!!! ;)</p>

<p>I am not on this forum 24-7...</p>

<p>Momwaitingfornew: Smith might be more competitive but I would rather go to Dickinson, since I am not quite convinced that an educational situation among girls only is a natural thing. So yes Smith was after Dickinson for me but I still wanted to go there. </p>

<p>roadlesstraveled: I didn't plan on taking the TOEFL at all since I read on cornell.edu that they would wave the test for applicants who scored 670 or above on either the reading or writing component and I expected to score more than that on the writing part... well it didn`t work out but after i got the SAT scores there was not enough time to register for TOEFL and I decided to leave the things as they are. (cornell was my top choice from the very very beginning) + "...without a way to verify your proficiency in English, you put yourself a great disadvantage and tied Smith's hands..." ---> thinking of it now, I have to admit you are right.

"Aberine made a statement accusing Smith of being rude and “not nice” without backing up her statement. I’ve never known Smith to be non-responsive, and it seems to me if she was accepted instead of denied, Smith would have been one of the greatest colleges in the country." I was not accusing them of anything I was just expressing my opinion and I am going to clarify the reasons on that later. And whether it would be one of the greatest colleges in the country or not, you cannot know that unless you are a clairvoyant and if that is the case, congratulations to you!

BJM8: "As someone who has worked with many inner city students whose second language is English, why would an institution such as Smith, who puts great weight on the liberal arts (i.e. reading, writing and speaking) take the chance." - Did I mention that I am applying for a major in Mathematics?

tibbhumo: "Being an international student, I think I can say by experience that Toefl doesn't really test one's English speaking and writing skills, somewhat similar to SAT as you guys put it. Here at my place, we don't prepare much for it, and some students even consider it a joke and don't take it.** Besides it is outrageously expensive.**"-agreed

"I guess Aberine is good enough in English speaking and writing that she decided to ask if TOEFL can be waived and also if the medium of teaching at her particular college is English then she doesn't need to give TOEFL."-> I was not taught in English. "Since she didn't defend herself or answer RLT's questions so I again guess that you guy's assumption about her English ability might be right.

Aberine, is it true?" -> I don`t feel a reason why I sould defend myself, I am not guilty of anything but I'd say that your assumptions are rather ridiculous.</p>

<p>laureldj: "At the risk of being stoned, I'll come to Aberine's defense."
Thank you :) <em>hugs</em></p>

<p>CMV: ;)</p>

<p>And now why i think they were <em>not nice</em> ...
well there was a problem with my SAT scores, for some reason they didn`t receive my January 28th score which was released in the middle of February. I made several attempts to contact them via e-mail and to make sure that the things are resolved and they didn't reply. Some days later I called them over the phone and asked what the reason for that might be and the woman I spoke to snapped at me saying "I don't know!" in this particular moment I thought that I don't even want to be there if I have to meet angry people every day. Then I tried again politely to explain the situation and ask for help but she replied that it is a fault of the testing service and didn't even ask my name or bannerweb IP or any other personal information to at least check what might be wrong. She was clearly indifferent to my problem and that is why I believe they were not helpful... as far as the <em>not nice</em> part is concerned, I am sure that a person who snaps at me for absolutely no reason cannot be qualified as <em>nice</em>. </p>

<p>Additionally... when I wrote to them to ask if the TOEFL score can be waived, I received a deviating reply obviouly written in a hurry (considering the fact it contained spelling mistakes).</p>

<p>And again why would I ask for my TOEFL score to be waived when thousnads of other international students study hard to pass it? Well I work as a part-time translator and interpreter and somehow I feel I have achieved the level of fluency at which I would eventually be able to communicate without difficulty.</p>

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<p>Aberine - I was only commenting on the "safety" aspect of Smith.</p>

<p>Did you get good news from Dickinson? Since that's your first choice, I really hope you got in.</p>

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<p>Oops. I just saw that Dickinson isn't your first choice - but your choice over Smith. Good luck with decisions!</p>

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<p>Thanks :)
whatever happens, I have decided not to worry about it.</p>

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<p>Aberine...I have no issues with you at all. My cooments were meant for Tibbhumo, not you. As for math, ummm...I believe that math does include a lot of writing and reading English, so I stand by my comment. All new standards tests for high school students not only expect students to solve math problems, but also to write paragraphs about how they solved the problem. Just solving problems is not good enough anymore. I wish you the best at Dickinson, or any other school that is lucky enough to get you. All the best.</p>

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<p>without a way to verify your proficiency in English, you put yourself a great disadvantage and tied Smith's hands..." ---> thinking of it now, I have to admit you are right. }}</p>

<p>Sorry for the posts that came across more crass than intended. If a Smith employee did indeed snap at you there is no excuse for that.
I'm sure you'll be admted to one of your top choices. Good luck :)</p>

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<p>Wow, there's someone who definitely belongs on the Jolt rather than this board.}}</p>

<p>It's ok Bjm8. Tibbhumo was admitted to Holyoke ED. Lucky Holyoke. I'm not sure why she was even on this board.</p>

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<p>-{{-I expect Smith being need-aware school probably couldn’t meet her financial aid requirements completely--it's tough for internationals at need-aware schools.}}</p>

<p>Please let me clear up a misconception. Smith is a <em>need blind</em> college, for the most part, not need- aware. Yes, they do look at how much aid was awarded after about 95% of the of the total applications needed to fill a class have been admitted, however; most of the time 100% of the students receive 100% of need met.</p>

<p>NO student should believe they might have been admitted because of ability to pay.</p>

<p>Maybe you’re thinking of Holyoke that does indeed have a need-aware admission policy and states so on their website.</p>

<p>As I said, Smith is very generous to internationals as proved by these students awards.</p>

<p>“$42,000 + health insurance for me! smith is really generous to internationals.
<em>surprised</em>”
“ they're actually giving me $46,463.”</p>

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<p>for some reason they didn`t receive my January 28th score }}</p>

<p>For the benefit of future applicants, the SATs are required to be completed by January, not February</p>