<p>Accepted!
Rank in the top 3.7% of my class.
SAT's good, but not great
White, southern, female
hook??? being from the south. No legacy status.
I got deferred in December, and right now I am as happy as can be to be accepted into ND. I hope I can go, and I think I can. Gotta check on $ status.</p>
<p>Wow congrats to everyone who got in! Hope I can join you all in a year! Brandon's Mom, look at the bright side, ur kid got a lot of money from good schools in Vandy and CMU. Maybe God is trying to say something about maybe ND isn't the place for him at this present time.</p>
<p>If any of you are prospective physics majors and want to visit, PM me and I'll see if I can host you.</p>
<p>REJECTED</p>
<p>[ *] SAT: 1450/2150
[ *] GPA:89 UW, 103 W
[ *] Rank:53 of 415
[ *] Essay: Very Good
[ *] Teacher Rec: Unknown
[ *] Counselor Rec: Unknown
[ *] Hook (if any): None
[ *] State or Country: New York
[ *] School Type: Public
[ *] Ethnicity: White
[ *] Gender: Male
[ *] Major strength/weakness: Strength would be my SAT score or my essay. Weakness is my UW GPA, rank, and lack of ECs dealing with the Catholic Church.
[ *] Why you think you were accepted/rejected/defered: I didn't find a cure for cancer.
[ *] Going to attend? Obviously not...probably attending UConn Honors with $25,000/year, unless I get into Michigan after my defferal.</p>
<p>I expected my rejection so it's not so bad. I also probably wasn't going to attend anyway because I don't wanna be paying back loans the rest of my life. The schools that have accepted me are all paying for over half the costs of college. Congrats to all that were accepted, and to those that weren't, you'll find the right place for you elsewhere. Good luck to all in college.</p>
<p>I got rejected. I was kinda expecting it after being rejected/waitlisted at so many other schools. I guess it was my low SAT or maybe my ECs not being good enough. Whatever, I'm going to have a good time at the one school that did accept me. :)</p>
<p>Brandon'sMom--Without trying to dissect the ND decision too much, could applying to ND EA(non-binding) perhaps have made a difference? I know that son had similar stats to your sons minus the football, but opted for EA esp. since it is non-binding. Many schools look at this as as indication of interest. And, regrettably, because he did not apply early to 1 of the Ivys that he was interested in since it had a binding decision, he was rejected during RD. Even tho everything was a perfect match for that particular Ivy. And yes, PCB, son was #2 and 3, 4, and 5 went to Ivys. #1 at his school went to local state U into honors program on a full academic scholarship, room and board, laptop and summer stipends. (It was hard to see son turn this down!) So, I agree that being top 2 or 3 does not mean they are ivy bound. It has been said so many times, admissions decisions work out for the best--you will believe this next year at this time, when son is attending classes, exhausted from studying, yet taking in all that college life has to offer. Best of Luck to your son!</p>
<p>Alright, I'm back for some more questions about being rescinded.</p>
<p>If it turns out that I have lower than Cs, I'll send them an email explaining it. But will they look at my quarterly grades individually, or will they see my overall averages at the end of the year? Because it's only two or three classes and I'm not in danger of failing them, they are just lower than normal. And next quarter I'm sure I'll get my usual grades, to bring my yearly averages back up to As and Bs.</p>
<p>Sorry I keep pestering you guys about this, but it all seems too good to be true. I can hardly believe I even got in, and now I'm all worried it's going to be taken away...</p>
<p>Many thanks to everyone for all of your support the past several months. It made the rejection much easier to handle. I wish you all the best of luck, and you remain in my prayers.</p>
<p>Franklin College Switzerland, here she comes! :)</p>
<p>sunshadow, I'm sorry to hear about your daughter's rejection.</p>
<p>We experienced that for the first time this year, too. My younger son had dreams of joining his brother at ND, but his application was washed away in the tidal wave of submissions Notre Dame received this year. Absent legacy or URM status, even a 32 ACT wasn't enough. So, he's moving on, and he'll come up with a new dream. :)</p>
<p>Best of luck to you and your daughter.</p>
<p>Tony</p>
<p>Notre Dame AL -</p>
<p>ND says on its website, (and Brandon's Mom said an admission officer told her) that EA pool at ND is much more competetive than RD pool. That's why I didn't apply EA and I'm glad I applied RD instead.</p>
<p>sorry to hear this news sunshadow :(</p>
<p>Wowser, it appears that Brandon might have fit into that "competitive" pool. Look at his stats again--he could have easily been deferred during the early action period. But, alas, we will never know the conclusions that are drawn to comprise a new freshman class. Each year there are different qualities that admissions officers are looking for to describe that class. We could continue to analyze the why forever. And, from where I sit right now, it is a more of a curve in the road for most. I don't think my son even gives the rejections, waitlists, etc. a second thought right now. As I said, wherever Brandon lands, it will be for the best. But, it is intriguing as to the mystery of this whole admissions thing at colleges and it keeps this forum going!!!</p>
<p>It's easy to blame the waitlist decision on legacies, but the bottom line is that with a perfect 1600 and the ECs you describe, there must be some specific reason he wasn't accepted. Are you certain that he got 800/800? You apparently didn't see the teacher rec - maybe it wasn't so stellar. How many recs were there (ND frowns on not following directions). You say he's top 10% in his class - with a 1600 he ought to be 1st or maybe 2nd in the class, so maybe they think he was capable of better. My point is that the admissions people have some reason for him not getting in.</p>
<p>His not getting in has nothing at all to do with legacies getting in. That's a convenient excuse, but that dog don't hunt.</p>
<p>Notre Dame AL, I honestly don't think applying EA would have mattered. There was a large increase in EA applicants as well and those who were not clear accepts were deferred or rejected, so if he was truly borderline he probably would have been deferred to RD anyways. </p>
<p>I definitely wouldn't second guess applying EA or RD, I really don't think you get a benefit either way.</p>
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It's easy to blame the waitlist decision on legacies, but the bottom line is that with a perfect 1600 and the ECs you describe, there must be some specific reason he wasn't accepted. Are you certain that he got 800/800? You apparently didn't see the teacher rec - maybe it wasn't so stellar. How many recs were there (ND frowns on not following directions). You say he's top 10% in his class - with a 1600 he ought to be 1st or maybe 2nd in the class, so maybe they think he was capable of better. My point is that the admissions people have some reason for him not getting in.</p>
<p>His not getting in has nothing at all to do with legacies getting in. That's a convenient excuse, but that dog don't hunt.
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<p>I also disagree with this. It is easy to say that it wasn't legacies, but they make up 25% of the class and they do make a difference. When I applied out of high school I was rejected and ended up transferring whereas a legacy at my school with very similar stats was accepted. It does make a difference, and I think it is naive to say otherwise.</p>
<p>I agree that there must have been a reason why these decisions were made, and legacy isn't the only reason, but it does make it more competitive for those who are applying without legacy. In other words, I am sure legacy wasn't 100% of the reason why some people didn't get in, but it does make the pool more competitive for non-legacies, and it certainly didn't help.</p>
<p>Good points. The article mentioned previously indicated that the legacy admit rate was 23%, that "ethnic minorites" comprised 25% of the admits, and that 3-4% were international students.</p>
<p>Another thread mentioned that 3,352 students were admitted between from the Class of 2011. That means approximately 1,610 admits received no preferential consideration. That's tough competition!</p>
<p>My daughter was deferred (not rejected) from EA and wait-listed (not rejected) from RD. It appears as if she was equally close both times.</p>
<p>Also, from the postings on this site, I noticed several applicants with very similar stats to my daughter's. Some were admitted, some were not. The difference seemed to be a hook such as legacy. It appears as if legacy does make some difference, if only as a tie-breaker - and there has to be a way to break a tie. Unfortunately, my daughter had no hooks and therefore remains on the wait list being unable to break a tie. Unlike some schools ND is very honest about its use of legacy, so we knew of this problem coming in.</p>
<p>I dont think legacy played a role this year.
From what i heard from many people, they said i would get in for sure with legacy kicking me over the top. obviously not. My legacy status didnt do anything, and i'm sure that i was a worthy candidate because i was accepted at Northwestern with no legacy there. my point is that legacy doesnt matter as much any more, apparantly.</p>
<p>STATS:
White male, midwest US
31 ACT
4.06 wtd GPA
IB Full Diploma Candidate
HS baseball 4yrs
HS football 2yrs
CYM basketball 4yrs
Eagle Scout
NHS Secretary
Homeless awareness program (officer 12)
Student council (12)
Boys State
Hugh O'Brien Youth Leadership conference (HOBY)
HS Service Club
Good essay, recs
Showed an interest in ND by visits + final note
Wanted ND more than anything i've ever wanted before
Legacy (mom-undergrad, law school) + 3 aunts and uncles are ND alumni</p>
<p>GoIrish, I am sorry you did not get in, but look at the Observer article which acknowledges the importance of legacy and shows both your ACT and GPA to be low for this year's applicants. Legacy couldn't break a tie for you because you weren't in a tie to begin with. Unfortunately, worthy candidates were wait-listed and rejected because there were only so many spots in the class.</p>
<p>No one at my highschool ( a private jesuit all boyys school) was accepted RD yet....</p>
<p>There was about 18 of them....3 of them are going IVY</p>
<p>Its such a crapshoot</p>
<p>Goirish... I really thought you would get in.... Im actually really suprised that you didnt</p>
<p>Im really sorry.... I know that means nothing... but I hate to see it happen to someone who loves ND as much as you do....</p>