Official Harvard SCEA 2016 Applicants' Discussion Thread

<p>Harvard is such an astonishingly awful place to get an undergraduate education, it’s difficult to know where exactly to begin. To summarize major, systematic problems with the school which its administration seems willing to tolerate in perpetuity:</p>

<p>(1) Faculty members are not attentive to undergraduates at all and are blatantly aloof, which has particularly negative consequences as students are looking for research directions for senior theses and guidance in choosing fields of post-graduate study.</p>

<p>(2) Within concentrations, advisors are often inept and inattentive. Students get little help choosing classes, and their interests are not discussed or examined. Harvard is not at all the place to explore a variety of academic interests, as concentration (major) requirements quickly lock one in to a chosen field of study for which previous passions may have fizzled.</p>

<p>(3) Virtually every aspect of student life on campus is bogged down with frivolous bureaucracy - such as arbitrary housing lotteries and room-change deadlines - which is indicative of a larger lack of concern for the welfare of undergraduates.</p>

<p>(4) Grading is based on personal rapport with teaching fellows, as actual distinctions based on merit of work are usually arbitrary. Teaching fellows are generally incompetent, particularly when it comes to grading.</p>

<p>(5) The social life is severely deficient. Many dormitories feature horizontal hallway arrangements, which stifle interaction. There are few common rooms, none on hallways in certain upperclassman houses; additionally, many of the freshman dormitory buildings have no common rooms.</p>

<p>This is a brief and incomplete list of indictments, which I feel do not begin to describe the misery of an undergraduate education at Harvard. With no meaningful institutional support for study abroad, post-graduate jobs or further schooling, or even mental well-being (see articles below), undergraduates are left to wallow in a hell of self-doubt, faithlessness, and insecurity. Administrators like to suggest this is all a hell of students’ own making. Regardless, as a testament to the limits of individual liberation, Harvard is what British philosopher Edmund Burke described as a world of unavailing sorrow.</p>

<p>Prospective students must investigate the Harard experience carefully, and I encourage them to look at some of these articles from the school newspaper ([Harvard</a> News | The Harvard Crimson](<a href=“http://www.thecrimson.com%5DHarvard”>http://www.thecrimson.com), click on the archives in the upper left corner and search by date or article title).</p>

<p>Joseph K. Green, “Strength Through Discourse,” Op-ed in The Harvard Crimson on Friday, December 6, 2002. Green characterizes the general malaise, or at least students’ perceptions of it. While he incisively argues why student perceptions may be overblown, I think he misses the point that if there is a common culture created where such perceptions fester, something is deeply, dreafully wrong.</p>

<p>Katharine A. Kaplan, “College Faces Mental Health Crisis,” News article in The Harvard Crimson on Monday, January 12, 2004. This is the first in a five-article expose of high incidence of depression among Harvard students. See all of the articles, appearing subsequently on January 14, 16, 21, and 23. After the series appeared, demonstrating customary Harvardian concern University Provost (and former director of the National Mental Health Institute) pouted to Newsweek that the articles, which contained data from broad random surveys of the student population and general percentages, were merely anecdotal.</p>

<p>Luke Smith, “How Undergraduates Get Shafted,” Editorial comment in The Harvard Crimson on Monday, April 26, 2004. This is a blunt and fair characterization of an institution that fails to live up to the prestigious image it strokes for itself. The senior survey results from 1999, which Smith cites, are astonishing and were reported by The Crimson in December 2001.</p>

<p>J. Hale Russell, “A Hard Sell,” Editorial column in The Harvard Crimson on Monday, May 17, 2004. In its recent curricular review, Harvard apparently sacrificed focus on educating undergraduates so that it could sell its general education classes over the internet.</p>

<p>Superfacial may be the most hilarious typo ever.</p>

<p>^Can you really not tell that the first poster you quoted was a ■■■■■? No one would get in with such a poor level of grammar and incoherent expression of thoughts. Probably another rejected applicant who was bitter about his/her admission decision.<br>
It’s true–Harvard isn’t right for everyone, but I have a hard time believing the OP…</p>

<p>Someone should post these things on the day decisions come out ;)</p>

<p>I did notice the poor skill of writing in the first poster. Who knows where to find real student reviews? Don’t anyone worry about that it might not the right school for you? I guess I hope my child gets admitted, and at the same time hope he applies for more schools and has a good sources of information to help him to decide which school to go.</p>

<p>wow, Stanford SCEA really is a bloodbath…on the bright side, looks like Texas kids have been doing fairly well on that thread?</p>

<p>@leighearth: I showed your post to several of my friends at Harvard (of different graduation years) and all of them told me that this is NOT the case at Harvard, and I’m inclined to believe current students over your post. They said it may be true if the student is one of those who got into Harvard with the help of tutors and with no passion in anything but most people they know all enjoy Harvard and say the worst part of the college is that it’s only 4 years of their life.</p>

<p>leighearth’s just been hatin’ on the harvard threads. its fine… >.< 6 more days guys!</p>

<p>@RarissimaAvis. I hope it is not the case. But how about the Harvard newspaper news? Can you ask your friends>?
I am just a worried mom because my child decides not to apply for any other school if he is admitted by harvard.</p>

<p>Browsing Stanford SCEA thread is a hell of a demoralizing experience. The word “rejected” keeps coming up. I’m expecting a similar scenario in this thread next week :(</p>

<p>Depressed?Like it, love it, live it.-----The Harvard Newspaper Crimson
By Lucy M. Caldwell,
Published: Monday, March 20, 2006</p>

<p>Stressed? Anxious? Anorexic? Probably. This is Harvard, after all.</p>

<p>On a jaunt through the Yard, the Harvard College undergraduate runs into a flurry of posters and signs urging him to seek help for his various mental health issues.</p>

<p>There is a great deal of concern at Harvard over the emotional wellness of its undergraduates. Owing to the rigorous course load, intense level of competition, and high population of type-A personalities, the college is running on anti-depressants. …(please see the whole article on Harvard Crimson website)</p>

<p>Ah. Lacy Caldwell. How I miss thee.</p>

<p>December 02, 2003
Mental Health Awareness
Recent depression outreach showed importance of student input and depth of the problem
By The CRIMSON Staff, CRIMSON STAFF WRITER
Many Harvard students often feel overwhelmed, but symptoms such as diminished interest in activities, chronic fatigue and unintended weight loss or gain could mean more than the typical midterm doldrums—they could mean clinical depression. Depression and other mental illnesses are common problems at Harvard, and the first step to treating these health concerns requires greater understanding and awareness of the serious issues involved.</p>

<p>@leighearth.
If you hate harvard so much tell your son/daughter not to go there. Don’t tell the rest of us how much it sucks -______-". We know what we’re getting ourselves into.</p>

<p>to moonlight. If you know what you are getting yourselves into, that’s good. I don’t ., So I am just trying to fish out more discussion and more facts with the information I know so that I will clearly know what we are getting ourselves into. And these facts only help people and won’t hurt kids in the decision making process.</p>

<p>None of us particularly want to hear about how much Harvard “sucks”…
Look up any university, there will be both positive and negative reviews of the school. To base a decision (which could affect the rest of your life) off of a few negative reviews you have read on an anonymous website is not wise. </p>

<p>To be perfectly honest, leighearth’s comments seem similar to those of parents who try to convince others to decline admission to a particular school to improve the chances of his/her son/daughter (getting in off of the wait-list)…</p>

<p>eh. i beg to differ. you can read those yourself leighearth, no need to fill the thread with the great wall of text.</p>

<p>^YES. Go post the anti-Harvard great wall of text in the Yale forum or something :D</p>

<p>Note: Unlike Harvard, Stanford rejects most EA applicants. Harvard on the other hand accepts some and defers almost all of the rest. Few Harvard applicants are rejected during EA. </p>

<p>Of course, being deferred for Stanford is a bigger deal than being deferred for Harvard, however for all of you who have expressed concern/stress about the ‘bloodbath’ in the Stanford '16 EA decision thread, please understand this. </p>

<p>Also, it’s not out of the question that Stanford will actually have a lower statistical acceptance rate than Harvard - it doesn’t help that Harvard loses the most students to Stanford than any other single school. Consider also the different competitions at both schools - although we can never know for sure, I would argue that most who apply to Harvard/Stanford do not apply to the other school, so the competition fields are at least somewhat different. Harvard is possibly the most ‘holistic’ of all schools, and there are plenty of candidates who were accepted at one and rejected at the other.</p>

<p>I wish you all the best! :cool: :)</p>

<p>My interviewer basically said the first 5. He said it’s really hard to get in, but I definitely have a fighting chance. I really hope all goes well!</p>