<p>About that passage....I said he was new to the criminal world, because there was nothing directly to suggest he detested the rich, but he wasn't the traditional stonehearted criminal either</p>
<p>Also, the maid was "flirtatious and inattentive" and the narrator was guilty followed by self-justification....and the first booty previous booty part I said it referred to a previous criminal act</p>
<p>a few things - he is not new to the criminal world - it was his second time
but however he did know a thing or two about jewlery - he could tell it was 12 - 14 pounds</p>
<p>he was guilty yes</p>
<p>2) I put thoughts of murder. But again, I was sooo confused even when READING that passage about what the "first" meant that I absolutely freaked (silently, of course) when I saw there was a question just about that. Morons... (CB.com, I mean)</p>
<p>1) I didn't put him down as naturally violent. I <em>think</em> I also put detested rich and powerful. Like a selfish Robin Hood. </p>
<p>Wasn't so sure to put the maid as "inattentive and flirtatious" or "young and inefficient"!!!!</p>
<p>anyone chose "knows something abt jewellery" for any ques?</p>
<p>Well it did mention that the maid was supposed to take the kid home but got chatting to a guy, hence inattentive and flirtatious both fit in</p>
<p>let's compile a list of most possible answers..</p>
<p>for the thief,
inattentive and flirtatious
knows something abt jewellery?
fear of getting caught?</p>
<p>sheaves,
beauty and impermanence</p>
<p>add...</p>
<p>the astrology was written by Sir Phillip Sidney, part of his sonnet cycle "Astrophel (?) and Stella" - based on fact he got left by his love for a richer man, aptly named Lord Rich...so that was a play on words on her name</p>
<p>so then with what does the narrator regard the "lamps"? I struggled a bit with this and put "love and some fear" because he obviously adores her but she also "reigns" over him...</p>
<p>and I found the conversation about ballroom dancing hard...what did you guys put for "relaxed and ready to romance"? I obsessed over it and eventually put constrast to melodramatic tone, lol...</p>
<p>i'm pretty sure the shadow of the wind is also the sheaves moving thus showing wind...</p>
<p>and i put guilt and rationalization, and also put hatred of rich for the thief</p>
<p>What about the one where it asks what Pastan (I don't think it had the name there, I just got it from an earlier post) was implying by comparing herself to the camellias?</p>
<p>Was it that she was past her youth, because of "instead of middle aged," or the more positive one (I can't remember exactly what it was) because of "as if I too were lacy with spring?" The problem I had with the latter was the "as if," so I went for past her youth.</p>
<p>Also, I know this was mentioned, but I don't think anyone replied... With the one with children's illusions VS. reality, what did everyone put for the death of his mother one?</p>
<p>Oh, and IzzyJ, I put amusement as well. I still don't see the cynicism (it didn't really seem "scornful" to me)... Are you sure that you're (we're) wrong?</p>
<p>i put 'amusement' too!</p>
<p>I put awe and respect for that one, ebonytear, because I thought he respected that "reign" more than feared it, but your interpretation confuses me a little. What did you put for the one about what the lamps represent? If I'm understanding you correctly, I may be in trouble, and it all started there. >_></p>
<p>For "relaxed and ready to romance," I struggled with that one for a while, too. I didn't particularly like any of the answers, but I ended up going with the contrast to the melodramatic tone one. I put the same thing for the other three you mentioned, as well.</p>
<p>I put 'awe and respect', too. I interpreted that "lamps" meant the stars. </p>
<p>I don't REMEMBER what I put for the "relaxed and ready to romance" part. Anybody remember the question and answer about Willie and his dance?</p>
<p>I put "past her youth", too.</p>
<p>Oooh, you (aaron56 and Shirobot) put "amusement" as well? Well, <em>crossing fingers</em> let's hope we do well. We should compare scores, yar. That's what I HATE about multiple choice. When you're reading something, you form your own opinions about how the narrator is portraying the characters and what they wish to say. And then you got all these choices and NONE of which correlate with your own and so you get frustrated and start guessing!!! </p>
<p><em>goes insane</em></p>
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I put 'awe and respect', too. I interpreted that "lamps" meant the stars.
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i think i did the same!!</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure I got close to an 800 or at least 750+. I too am SHOCKED this was the same as last year.
Here are my answers:
Thief poem:
Anger towards the rich in society. He seems to rationalize his own actions by demeaning the actions of the rich family who could have been so inattentive towards their child. There is no information to tell us this is first time (that he just entered poverty)
Rationalization, obviously, rationalization to guilt
Prosity:
weather is used for the dual purspose of describing the form of poetry (common) and the diff between expectations and reality.
I put that the poem is based on a synthesis of her lesson in prosity in general and her lover, but NOT the 'variance' since that is a specific quality of the type of poetry.
Astrology: annyoing but easy once you understood. Lamps are stars, those dim-witted reject it. They take pleasure from it but reject any meaning. He attributes awe and meaning to it, obviously because of astrology's metaphysics.
One I wasn't sure on was the way he responded to critics: He seems to be able to 'justify' it for himself regardless of proof. I didn't think that was still seeing beauty but rejecting it (contradiction), he didn't worship the girl, so the most reasonable was he can come up with his own interp w/o constraints.
Play: Pretty easy, some there were two good answers IMO.
I thought Willie's initial line was him wanting to fill a satisfying role (he was too into it for it to be just a joke). Also i thought it signified on the whole the impracticality of their endeavor (mocking was the other.. but the poem wasn't cynical but descriptive so I didnt select this).
The last one on the phone: I said it put them back to mundane concerns. I didn't put that it brought them back from the idealistic world because there is no indication they totally stop talking after that.
Sheaves: Hard, it was annoying.
The first was wind, a simple description IMO. The undivined was not understood. The 'other day' is different because of something other than weather (harvest). The plants are impermanent and beauty (evanescent like the beauty of the girls). Both passages go from general fanciful descriptions to rich similies.
Thoughts? Anyone get the same?</p>
<p>"'I put 'awe and respect', too. I interpreted that "lamps" meant the stars.'</p>
<p>i think i did the same!!"</p>
<p>So did I.</p>
<p>oops, forgot the Charlotte one.
. I put that he was trying to appear unfoolish. He was not agitated or uncomfortable around her rather he took the initiative to sit next to her. His dialogue seems strained, like he is trying to get a conversation going, but he then tries to recover himself to make himself look good. I didn't put the weak one becaue there is no indicaiton he's not just doing it for conversation value.
Other one: I said she was trying to distance herself, she claims she is free of all the ailments that he claims he has. She is not rude but at the same time it's clear she's not that interested in him. I also put it's clear she has strong opinions. Finally is said the author regards him with amusment. The reason I don't think it's cynicism is because the overall passage tone is more narrative and descriptive, not somber. I think it's amusing because the guy is clearly being outdone by a more mentally headstrong girl than he expected, and watching himself try to recover himself is kind of funny. I could be wrong on some of these though.</p>
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Also, I know this was mentioned, but I don't think anyone replied... With the one with children's illusions VS. reality, what did everyone put for the death of his mother one?
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<p>I said it added poignancy. Without the acknowledgement of the death of his mother, all the "darkness" is rather general. But with that line included, I think it's pretty clear that the adults were talking about his mother's illness, or death in general, and they wanted to shield the children from it. The narrator is feeling frustrated because he is being left out and cannot fully understand what the adults are excluding him from.</p>
<p>I put awe and respect for that one, ebonytear, because I thought he respected that "reign" more than feared it, but your interpretation confuses me a little. What did you put for the one about what the lamps represent? If I'm understanding you correctly, I may be in trouble, and it all started there. >_></p>
<p>Uh, oh....yeah, i was choosing btw. that, adoration, and love...</p>
<p>well i put stars for "lamps" and because stella means "stars" (or something like that, like stellar - latin root word must mean stars or something). the whole thing is that he wrote a bunch of sonnets for his love, addressing her as Stella in his poems, and so everything he says has a double meaning - not only are the stars beautiful and pure, so is she, because she is a 'star', etc. the thing that confuses me is on the dance question, since i put heavenly bodies, is it asking what he's saying or what he's actually referring to? i dunno</p>
<p>i also put amusement. its like austen, right? she does that...makes fun of characters...</p>
<p>and i said the death made the event a unique one in his life...</p>
<p>i don't think the darkness is just his mother's death...i think its the outside world</p>
<p>Prosody: when it says that there is more to poetry than iambic pentameter, and it is the variance and the tension is ______ that counts, what did you put? I put the rhythm of iambic pent....choosing it over tone...</p>
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Other one: I said she was trying to distance herself, she claims she is free of all the ailments that he claims he has. She is not rude but at the same time it's clear she's not that interested in him. I also put it's clear she has strong opinions. Finally is said the author regards him with amusment. The reason I don't think it's cynicism is because the overall passage tone is more narrative and descriptive, not somber. I think it's amusing because the guy is clearly being outdone by a more mentally headstrong girl than he expected, and watching himself try to recover himself is kind of funny. I could be wrong on some of these though.</p>
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Astrology: annyoing but easy once you understood. Lamps are stars, those dim-witted reject it. They take pleasure from it but reject any meaning. He attributes awe and meaning to it, obviously because of astrology's metaphysics.
One I wasn't sure on was the way he responded to critics: He seems to be able to 'justify' it for himself regardless of proof. I didn't think that was still seeing beauty but rejecting it (contradiction), he didn't worship the girl, so the most reasonable was he can come up with his own interp w/o constraints.
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<p>I thought the lamps were the eyes. I thought he was likening successful astrology to his well-developing courtship (as evinced by gazing into Stella's eyes). I really had no clue what the poem meant. I put "passionate adoration" since it really wouldn't make sense to "respect and be awed" by eyes.</p>
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<p>I said she was trying to ingratiate herself with him because when he said that she would have thought him a poor person had he not been drinking wine beforehand, she privately agrees (which is rather rude) but outwardly, tries to be genial. </p>
<p>I also said that Arthur was portrayed amusingly, if only because I didn't think any of the others fit. I got the feeling that he was a bit of a buffoon, but not one who was a bad person.</p>
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Other one: I said she was trying to distance herself, she claims she is free of all the ailments that he claims he has. She is not rude but at the same time it's clear she's not that interested in him. I also put it's clear she has strong opinions. Finally is said the author regards him with amusment. The reason I don't think it's cynicism is because the overall passage tone is more narrative and descriptive, not somber. I think it's amusing because the guy is clearly being outdone by a more mentally headstrong girl than he expected, and watching himself try to recover himself is kind of funny. I could be wrong on some of these though.
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<p>I said she was trying to ingratiate herself with him because when he said that she would have thought him a poor person had he not been drinking wine beforehand, she privately agrees (which is rather rude) but outwardly, tries to be genial. </p>
<p>I also said that Arthur was portrayed amusingly, if only because I didn't think any of the others fit. I got the feeling that he was a bit of a buffoon, but not one who was a bad person.</p>
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Astrology: annyoing but easy once you understood. Lamps are stars, those dim-witted reject it. They take pleasure from it but reject any meaning. He attributes awe and meaning to it, obviously because of astrology's metaphysics.
One I wasn't sure on was the way he responded to critics: He seems to be able to 'justify' it for himself regardless of proof. I didn't think that was still seeing beauty but rejecting it (contradiction), he didn't worship the girl, so the most reasonable was he can come up with his own interp w/o constraints.
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<p>I thought the lamps were the eyes. I thought he was likening successful astrology to his well-developing courtship (as evinced by gazing into Stella's eyes). I really had no clue what the poem meant. I put "passionate adoration" since it really wouldn't make sense to "respect and be awed" by eyes.</p>
<p>Izzy: Didn't notice your question... I remember the one about Willie's dance, but I don't remember what I put. Do you remember the choices?</p>
<p>Icefalcon: I believe I had the same as you on every question you mentioned there except Willie's initial line, the "trying to appear unfoolish" one (I put delicate constitution... I didn't really see anything in his comment that made him appear any less foolish... but I really stuggled with this one, so I'm not sure), and maybe this...</p>
<p>"I put that the poem is based on a synthesis of her lesson in prosity in general and her lover, but NOT the 'variance' since that is a specific quality of the type of poetry."</p>
<p>Are you referring to the I, II, III question? I know I put all three... I don't recall anything to do with variance.</p>
<p>nbachris: I said the same thing for the same reason (for the poignancy one).</p>