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This thread has gone from understandable frustration to pretty offensive.
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<p>It definitely has.</p>
<p>^amicw, What?</p>
<p>Just because a woman has a different perspective, doesn't make her opinion any less valid or based on ration, whether one agrees with her or not...</p>
<p>Yeah, I'm generalizing, because there are obviously exceptions to the rule. Its very difficult to provide substantiative proof that the generalization is inaccurate.</p>
<p>Earl Warren benefited from other policies, evidently. If you could acquaint me wit the circumstances of his appointment, that would be appreciated.</p>
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This thread has gone from understandable frustration to pretty offensive.
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<p>Almost every URM admitted has been nearly as offensive all along, so please, don't make such a statement. It must be nice finally getting a sense of how I feel.</p>
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Just because a woman has a different perspective, doesn't make her opinion any less valid or based on ration, whether one agrees with her or not...
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<p>My point was that women will resort to almost any reason to defend abortion, even if it isn't rational, because they truly believe they should have it. I notice the same thing with minorities regarding affirmative action, as everyone accepted as a URM here has done in this and the other thread.</p>
<p>Earl Warren was appointed to head justice of the supreme court by Ike as a favor for not running against him. Also, I don't see how anything I have said has been offensive to the same extent as some of the other comments made here. But again, please explain why Clarence Thomas is unqualified to serve on the supreme court.</p>
<p>well then, amciw, i suppose i can generalize also. </p>
<p>most URMs are admitted because they were more qualified than the applicants rejected. now there are obviously exceptions to the rule. </p>
<p>oh but wait...you have no problem pulling out these exceptions to the rule when it comes to your argument about Stanford's URM admittance rates. hm...that's strange.</p>
<p>and i don't mean to or want to be offensive, if you feel this way. but before you were more articulate and rational.</p>
<p>Earl Warren's appointment, consequently, was thus unjust as well. You'd be hard-pressed to find any minority here who didn't like his nomination, though.</p>
<p>Except, aberdeen, we have many instances where yours is disproved (relative to the amount of people it effects). Maybe I was being a bit to generalizing, I'll grant everyone here that, but saying that URM acceptances were a minority exception is not accurate. If URMs were 15% of the applicant pool, what percent of the acceptance pool were they? If CC, which if anything should not be an indication due to its favoritism of upper-middle class white and Asian posters, is more than 15%, its kind of clear that the overall pool was as well.</p>
<p>i am convinced that amicw won't stop posting in the Stanford forum until he receives handwritten apologies from every URM on the CC explicitly denouncing their acceptance... </p>
<p>honestly, it's partly my frequent encounters with his type of thinking that has had me wanting to get out of my east coast suburb and out to California.</p>
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Because if I were one of them...had I simply been born a different race...with my stats, I would presumably have gotten in.
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and if you were born with athletic ability, you probably would have gotten in too.</p>
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The fact that I didn't because I wasn't a minority while less qualified minority applicants did is downright infuriating. There's nothing I can do to change the situation, but I feel the need to at least point it out.
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look, i can completely see why you are so angry, and i'm not looking down on you for being angry, because i probably would be as well if i was in your situation.</p>
<p>but as long as you have yourself convinced that YOUR spot in Stanford was taken by a low minority, you will bear a grudge. grudges fester and expand over time. eventually, you will begin to blame minorities for things they don't deserve to be blamed for. i'm only trying to help you prevent that. </p>
<p>think about the facts. it's FAR more likely that your spot was taken by an ORM, for any number of reasons, than a minority. that is plain and common sense, i can assure you of that. so why should your anger be directed at minorities? </p>
<p>your admissions officer might have reviewed several 2400 or Valedictorian applications in a row, and you were the 7th. maybe your application looked too much like the one before it. maybe your essay didn't give off the right vibe. think about these things.</p>
<p>i can't even tell you that you weren't good enough for Stanford, because for most people here i would probably be lying. but you can never truly know the circumstances surrounding your acceptance/rejection. other people may, but not for you. and that's the way life is. so i implore you to lose this self-generated "chip" on your shoulder, that you somehow got rejected from Stanford because they had to fill their quota with that one minority kid, or whatever BS it may be. you won't get anywhere in life thinking like that.</p>
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i am convinced that amicw won't stop posting in the Stanford forum until he receives handwritten apologies from every URM on the CC explicitly denouncing their acceptance...</p>
<p>honestly, it's partly my frequent encounters with his type of thinking that has had me wanting to get out of my east coast suburb and out to California.
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<p>And yet, that exactly not the kind of thinking practiced by people in the 60-80k income bracket in my mostly rural Oregon community. Its kind of funny how you deride me for generalizing and then do so yourself.</p>
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<p>Please, don't argue under the pretense that athletic ability is as random as race. Its simply not true. NOt to be mean, but athletics requires work, and people won't get in solely on natural ability.</p>
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look, i can completely see why you are so angry, and i'm not looking down on you for being angry, because i probably would be as well if i was in your situation.</p>
<p>but as long as you have yourself convinced that YOUR spot in Stanford was taken by a low minority, you will bear a grudge. grudges fester and expand over time. eventually, you will begin to blame minorities for things they don't deserve to be blamed for. i'm only trying to help you prevent that.</p>
<p>think about the facts. it's FAR more likely that your spot was taken by an ORM, for any number of reasons, than a minority. that is plain and common sense, i can assure you of that. so why should your anger be directed at minorities?</p>
<p>your admissions officer might have reviewed several 2400 or Valedictorian applications in a row, and you were the 7th. maybe your application looked too much like the one before it. maybe your essay didn't give off the right vibe. think about these things.
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<p>Thank you for being reasonable, but even if I was competing against other ORMs (which white isn't, at Stanford, its a URMaj), the policies favoring URMs contributed the reduction of spots for white and Asian applicants, one of which I may have ended up in.</p>
<p>I will get over it eventually, but I am not blaming any URM for anything but being inconsiderate of our situations. It is Stanford's prerogative to admit who they want, so I will be mad at Stanford unfair admissions policies, not the fact that you guys got in. Obviously I may feel a bit annoyed that SAT scores 200 or 300 points below mine were accepted or deferred, but I am not mad at you guys for going. Please, in fact, enjoy all the opportunities presented from you. Even if things went unfairly, you got in, and deserve to have the best time at Stanford possible.</p>
<p>ok, let's end this endless argument on that note.</p>
<p>Okay, as long as it is established I am right, then we are good. ;)</p>
<p>But seriously, I should go to bed. So if you guys want to resume it in the morning, I'd be fine with it, otherwise, I can be content knowing it was settled favorably.</p>
<p>Posting for a friend: </p>
<p>Decision: Rejected</p>
<p>Stats:[ul]
[<em>] SAT: 2270 (750 CR, 780 Math, 740 Writing)
[</em>] SAT IIs: 800 Math IIC, 800 Physics, 750 Literature
[<em>] GPA: ~95%
[</em>] Rank: Top 2-3%
[/ul]Subjective:[ul]
[<em>] Essays: solid
[</em>] Teacher Recs: good
[<em>] Counselor Rec: good
[</em>] Hook (if any):
[/ul]Location/Person:[ul]
[<em>] State or Country: Canada
[</em>] School Type: Public
[<em>] Ethnicity: Asian
[</em>] Gender: Male
[/ul]Other Factors: He's part of an academically enriched program (not a magnet though)
Self-studied Calculus AB and BC as well as AP Physics, 5's on all
Prospective Major: Mathematics
Talented flute player, Lifeguard, otherwise mediocre ECs
His essay was a little cocky imo, he talked about the hours spent helping this girl in his class with math over the phone and how much she thanked him (it was useless though, she ended up failing math anyway)
Math / Science guy, way too stereotypical of an asian applicant
General Comments: Wow, how many Canadians have been rejected so far?</p>
<p>Ugh, can't edit posts. Anyway some more factors:</p>
<p>Other Factors: He's part of an academically enriched program (not a magnet though)
Self-studied Calculus AB and BC as well as AP Physics, 5's on all
-Prospective Major: Mathematics
-Talented flute player, Lifeguard, otherwise mediocre ECs
-His essay was a little cocky imo, he talked about the hours spent helping this girl in his class with math over the phone and how much she thanked him (it was useless though, she ended up failing math anyway), how his math tutor was impressed by his intelligence, how his parents thought he was the perfect applicant, how generous he was to give up a seat to a friend in his own car, and how others in his band section depended on him to lead and organize them
-Math / Science guy (not much else going for him), way too stereotypical of an asian applicant
-Strengths: SATs, GPA, recommendations
-Weaknesses: International, Asian, mediocre ECs
General Comments: Wow, how many Canadians have been rejected so far?</p>
<p>amciw i sympathize with you
i am an asian american (east indian) and was flat out rejected too
my SAT score was 2210 and i have a 4.0 unweighted
i self studied ap art history and ap world history and got 5's on both
i was super ****ed when an african american guy from my town with a 2090 and 3.8 unweighted gpa got accepted</p>
<p>i wrote solid essays and all, idk what i lacked in, but i have just been disappointed this past weekend
oh well, congrats to all of you that got in, and i just hope the ivy league regular decisions aren't as brutal as this was, as im beginning to doubt my chance of acceptance there</p>
<p>Decision: Deferred</p>
<p>Stats:[ul]
[<em>] Fee Waiver Used?:
[</em>] SAT I (by section):800M 740CR 780W 2320
[<em>] SAT IIs:800 MathII 800 Physics 590 Latin(shouldn' even have taken Latin)
[</em>] GPA, Weighted and Unweighted: 4.7 Weighted, not sure unweighted
[<em>] Rank:2-3%
[</em>] ACT:N/A
[<em>] APs (including this year's): 5 on History, Physics B and Stat. This year: Physics EM, Physics mechanics, Calculus BC
[</em>] IBs (including this year's: 6 on IB Physics SL This year: IB 20th Century Euro, IB Math HL, IB Latin V, IB English HL, IB Biology HL
[<em>] Senior Yr Courseload: IB diploma, Hardest possible
[</em>] Number of Apps from Your School: 2 SCEA
[<em>] Other stats (Awards, etc.): AIME qualifier freshman year, top 10% in state for chemistry and physics
[/ul]Subjective:[ul]
[</em>] ECs listed on app: Captain/founder of frisbee team, Green team, Cross country 9-11, Math Team, Science League, Physics Olympics, Harvard Model Congress
[<em>] Job/Work Experience:
[</em>] Essays (subject and responses):
Common App: on Bureacratic hassle of starting a frisbee team
Roommate: on time I wore a Stanford sweatshirt in Berkeley near Cal
Vitality: on Utilitarianism and it's application in government
Why stanford: a bit dry, but clearly lays out why Stanford is perfect for me
[<em>] Teacher Recs:One amazing (said I was top two smartest he had ever taught) The other I had known for 7 years, and did really well so that must have been good too.
[</em>] Counselor Rec:Probably bad, she's really stupid.
[<em>] Interview (feel, interviewer and general location):N/A
[</em>] Hook (TASP, RSI, Research, etc.): Maybe starting a frisbee team. not sure if thats better or worse than a sport.
[/ul]Location/Person:[ul]
[<em>] State or Country: NJ
[</em>] School Type, Average Stats of School (if available): Pretty good
[<em>] Ethnicity: White
[</em>] Gender: Male
[<em>] Income Bracket: High
[</em>] Hooks (URM, first generation college, etc.): Legacy
[<em>] Strengths:Legacy, teacher recs
[</em>] Weaknesses:maybe ECs, from NJ
[li] Why you think you were accepted/deferred/denied: combination of not enough ECs and Stanford seems to hate NJ. Anyone know anyone accepted from NJ?[/li][/ul]Other Factors:
General Comments/Congratulations/Venting/Commiserations,etc: I thought with legacy I would be fine, but from reading these profiles I'm pretty sure the legacy barely got me deferred. April seems sooo far away. Congrats to everyone who got in, and sorry to everyone who didn't. All of you are smarter than everyone at my school : )</p>
<p>Regarding the URM argument: it's pretty clear that being a URM helped a LOT with early admission to Stanford, and while that can be frustrating for ORMs such as myself, *****ing and moaning on this forum isn't going to change that. I'm not saying that we all need to accept their automatic advantage over us, but it's probably for the best if drama is kept to a minimum here...and personal attacks on URMs that got in are uncalled for. If you got in, that's great and I'm happy for you whether you're a URM or not.</p>
<p>(Just for reference, I was deferred.)</p>
<p>@SamuraiBoy: I guess it's not NJ, but being from the NY definitely didn't help for me, either. From what I've heard, the four of us from my school (a top private school) that applied SCEA all didn't get in, and I know at least two of the other applicants were INCREDIBLY strong. I was the only Asian. So the results are pretty brutal on the east coast, it seems...</p>
<p>Decision: Rejected</p>
<p>Stats:
SAT: 2290 (760 CR, 790 Math, 740 Writing)
SAT IIs: 800 Math 2, 760 Chemistry, 750 US History
GPA: 4.0 (w) 4.87 (uw)
Rank: Top 2-3%
Subjective:
ACT-34 superscored: English-35 reading-35 math-36 science-35 essay-8 (that kinda sucked)
Taken 4 APs with 3 fives and 1 four. Taking 4 APs senior year
Been in band for 8 years. Section leader and been selected for state honor bands.
Doing research at an university near by expecting an published article next year and a presentation at a national convention.
Volunteered at hospital during summer
3 leadership positions at school
Many school awards
National Merit Semifinalist
AP Scholar w/ Honor
Been in a state scholars program past summer
Working part-time during weekends.
Over 300 Volunteer hrs.</p>
<p>Essays: solid
Teacher Recs: excellent
Counselor Rec: excellent
Hook (if any): Research w/ an expected article published
Location/Person:
State or Country:
School Type: Public
Ethnicity: Asian
Gender: F
Other Factors: Underrepresented state
Prospective Major: Biology/chemistry
General Comments: well, considering the other rejected applicants, I'm not suprised I was rejected. But still, a dissappointment. I was hoping few people applied from my state, but I think S probably just rejected all of them as well.</p>
<p>btw there's this crazy school from my country which has 100% success rate to MIT, stanford and imperial so far... sure the sample size is small but we are considered as international students after all... haha</p>
<p>SamuraiBoy, you were deferred as a legacy, with >2300 SAT's?! Which family member attended Stanford? Undergraduate? graduate?</p>
<p>seems like stanford has no love for 2400s</p>
<p>My dad went there as an undergraduate along with my uncle and cousin for grad school.</p>