@seaweed66
if you applied and got accepted to both BSMD programs you clearly understand (or should) at this point that excluding financial considerations Case PPSP (tier-1) is the superior choice for many reasons. However, I aslo understand that finance can be the driving force for some people (due to very personal factors) in final selection. If that is the case for you then again are due to personal factors which only you/family know.
@seaweed66 @IfnousWHO
Money is one consideration. Also I agree that there are many personal factors in selection. Example proximity to homeā¦ Its very important to some not so much so to others.
What would be your total cost of attendance at Miami vs Case?
@Roentgen
You are absolutely right: āI think weāll just have to cordially agree to disagree.ā The best part is that we are sharing our āpersonal opinionsā which I hope will be a yard stick for parents and students who will take this high road within the next few months- class of 2021!
BTW you do provide very informative links, thanks!
@1CRYZX For undergrad and med school, at Miami I would pay $213,688 and at Case I would pay about $357,384.
@narkor, thank you!! And just to be clear, I wasnāt putting you down or anyone else specifically or saying only I have the answers (I donāt). I think we all have different perspectives to offer, all of which are valuable. I think it all depends on how a student processes it all. For some people giving them match lists and ranking lists, is just too much information overload or would be too confusing, for others, it genuinely helps in deciding, especially when people are taking on very real loan debt, and there is such a stark difference in debt among choices.
For all of us, choosing a Bachelor/MD program is always a comparison of choices (not necessarily all choices being a Bachelor/MD program). I just want people to make those comparisons calmly, rationally, and not impulsively, just as I am sure you and others desire the same. Itās ok for people to say, āYou know what? Iām not really sure if this exact pathway is rightā. I donāt want people feeling, āIf I donāt do this program, there is just no way Iāll be able to get into an allopathic med school!ā Itās hard to be clairvoyant on things like this since we all donāt know the person and you donāt get to make comparisons of how life would have ended up like if I did X, Y, and Z. Like I mentioned, these are a group of people (as are premeds and med students) who are naturally very risk averse, and I understand that.
@seaweed66 take into account not only the ranking of the medical school but also its specific strength in helping you get into a speciality you are gearing towards. Miller for example has a top ophthalmology program.
@seeweed66 - Do you need to take MCAT at either place? Are you allowed to apply out?
Have you checked into FA practices at the two medical schools and what you might be eligible for?
@seaweed66
Itās not just ranking but associated quality of student body and BSMD program, access to top research and affiliated hospital / world renowned experts (i.e. Cleveland Clinic) etc
@seaweed66 First Congrats on getting in to 2 good schools.
I am sure you would have done the due diligence in coming up with the final numbers. But on a quick calc, I am getting different numbers. So thought of sharing based on what USNEWS provided for MD fees.
Let us say ball park $15k for R&B in both schools.
Miami: BS: 3 years + 15 = $45k; MD = $43 * 4 + $15 * 4 = $232k; Total = $277k and not $213k
Case: BS 4 * 32 (u mentioned this amt) = 128; MD = 4 * 60 + 4 * 15 = 300; Total = $428k (and not $357)
Your number or my number, either way around $140k difference. Check and talk to CWRU office and students, details related to āSenior year in Professional Studiesā, is it allowed for this PPSP program or only for regular BS folks. If they allow and if you like that option, that may save some $32k and make it 7 years.
http://www.case.edu/ugstudies/programs-requirements/graduate-professional/
As others mentioned, if your family can afford, Case may be a better choice. But you need to look at other factors location both proximity and your comfort for weather (cold to hot). Of course any thing related to medicine, others in the forum know. You are going to be wrong in either decision in the long run. GL
@seaweed66 wow, it is about 146K difference. If you count on out of school one year earlier from Miami, there will be extra 200K physician income difference. I guess it is really tough decision, but it would be very hard to pass a great program as PPSP.
@seaweed66 Oops, sorry, I meant, you are NOT going to be wrong in either decision. If Case allows the program I mentioned then case is also 7 years. It is worth calling and get to the facts from Case on that viability.
@seaweed66
277K for an MD is actually not that much. Thatās a really good deal.
@Goldenrock are your calculations based on TCOA or just tuition?
TOCA
@tunetheday I checked out specific strength in a couple specialties I was thinking of and Miami and Case have very similar numbers of residency matches for those specialties. Research opportunities are similar at both med schools, but Caseās are a little better. I think Case has a lot more research funding for the specialties Iām looking into but Miami and Case both had a very similar number of people match into those specialties so Iām not really worried.
@texaspg Miami requires MCAT (513) but Case doesnāt. At Miami, if I apply out I give up my guaranteed spot at Miller. At Case, if I apply out I have to take the MCAT and get above the 94th percentile to keep my spot. Sorry, I donāt know what FA practices are.
@IfnousWHO I feel that I would fit in better with the Case student body but Iām not sure if it is worth 146K more.
@GoldenRock Thanks for recalculating. When I calculated med school cost I didnāt factor in R&B, I just did tuition so your numbers are more accurate. I actually talked to a resident who graduated from the Case PPSP program and she said that you can submit a request to matriculate to the med school after 3 years but they donāt really like it when students do that. They only allow 1 ish student per class or every other class to do that.
I talked to people who have graduated from Miamiās HPME and Caseās PPSP and they said that academically there isnāt much of a difference - you can get into a good residency from either med school. I just have to decide whether the somewhat better research opportunities & better fit/student population at Case Western is worth 140K more.
@seaweed66 Living in Miami for 7-8 years vs Living in Cleveland for 7-8 years. All other variables being pretty equal, I donāt see any contest here! Just sayināā¦
@seaweed66 - Financial Aid (FA) in medical school works differently from undergrad at most schools. The private schools normally expect you to borrow federally allowed money at close to 45-50k before considering aid and many take your parental efc into consideration before providing any aid. You may be able ask the medical schools how it works in your case.
@seaweed66 just to clarify, I think itās more informative to look at the quality of matches vs. number of matches in competitive specialties, because the latter criteria is subject to a lot of variability based on individual preferences and such. Neither school will limit you from achieving your long term goals, but a quick comparison of CWRU and Miami match results reveals a greater representation of top tier academic programs on CWRUās match lists vs Miamiās (which comes as no surprise). But again, this is just one factor that may not make much of a difference all said and done.
On a side note, if I remember correctly, Miamiās medical campus is a train ride away from the undergrad campus, which could make it less accessible if you wanted to get involved in research at the medical campus as an undergrad. On the whole though, I wouldnāt weight the whole āresearch opportunitiesā differences too much, because you can only work at one lab/one project at a time at the end of the day - and you will definitely be able to find opportunities at both schools.
Hello everyone, anyone with some insight into U Rochesterās REMS and Brown PLME. Any little tips will help those currently entering these programs.
My son is choosing between UMiami and TCNJ 7 years. Any thoughts on the two programs? Cost difference is 80k over 7 years but miller matching seems to be good. Does going to a medical school in the south hinder his chance at going to a residency in the north (i.e. Philly or NYC)?
@seaweed66 It is tough choice! Case is higher ranked for sure but I agree with your confusion, is it worth the extra cost! Also one year saving helps in long run too! Sorry I am repeating what is already said, but all I can do is agree, it is tough decision!
Our decision is not as difficult as yours but still we are struggling with it!
As parents, we do want him to come back to east coast after 7 year in case he chooses UMiami. Not sure if he would want to after 7 years in warm Miami weather 