***Official Thread for 2020 BSMD applicants***

@ngjeuf @NoviceDad
Thanks

Does NJMS have MMI interviews

Update on BS/MD linkage program between Temple PPHS /Temple LKSOM.
My Child has a GPA 4.0 until now and is taking MCAT in Jan 2020. Did all AAMC practice tests 1,2,3,4 and UWorld practice questions (1900) during winter break and had excellent scores in all these practice tests.
My Child already had a committee interview for getting a committee letter of recommendation from Temple Pre-med Office. Temple PPHS candidates who meet linkage requirements (GPA, min Grades) will be presented to LKSOM during Feb 2020 as a cohort. Both (3+4) and (4+4) candidates will be interviewed by LKSOM in March, 2020. They will submit MCAT score by March 2020 for (3+4) and mid- June 2020 for (4+4). In May/June 2020, those who meet all linkage requirements into LKSOM will be notified (after final Spring 2020 grades and MCAT score submission) . For (4+4), the official acceptance lettter comes in Fall 2020. Hope this clarifies this program.

Besides bs/md vs. traditional, there is also a value factor to be considered. Below is an order that I think carry the most value.
1, heavily discounted HYPSM.
2, top tier/ mid tier bs/md ( depending on personal choice); full price HYPSM; heavily discounted other T20.
3, other bs/md; full price other T20; state flagship full ride.
Within each category, hard to distinguish from value perspective only.

What about NYU Med school using traditional route is it above 1) ?

Here is some data on Top 20 Medical Schools
2020 USN Ranking: Research 2020 USN Ranking: Primary Medical School Median MCAT Score Median Undergrad GPA Acceptance Rate Selectivity Index
1 17 Harvard University Â» 519 3.93 3.40% 99
2 26 Johns Hopkins University Â» 520 3.94 6.10% 96.7
3 10 University of Pennsylvania (Perelman) Â» 521 3.9 4.00% 98
3 48 Stanford University Â» 519 3.83 2.50% 97.4
5 3 University of California—San Francisco Â» 517 3.85 3.40% 96.6
6 39 Columbia University Â» 520 3.85 3.40% 97.2
6 5 University of California—Los Angeles (Geffen) 517 3.82 2.10% 97.1
8 12 Washington University in St. Louis 521 3.85 10.20% 90.5
9 44 New York University (Langone) Â» 522 3.93 4.90% 98
9 44 Mayo Clinic School of Medicine (Alix) Â» 520 3.91 2.10% 100
9 48 Cornell University (Weill)  518 3.85 5.80% 94.4
12 2 University of Washington Â» 509 3.68 3.70% 90.6
13 44 Yale University Â» 521 3.89 5.40% 96.3
13 31 Duke University Â» 518 3.83 3.20% 96.5
13 14 University of Pittsburgh Â» 517 3.81 5.30% 93.7
16 18 University of Chicago (Pritzker) Â» 521 3.9 4.80% 97.2
16 23 Vanderbilt University Â» 519 3.9 5.40% 96.2
16 6 University of Michigan—Ann Arbor Â» 514 3.82 4.70% 94
19 35 Northwestern University (Feinberg)  519 3.88 7.50% 93.6
19 59 Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai Â» 517 3.84 6.90% 92.9

Note: Average US Medical School matriculant’s MCAT score 511.6
MCAT Score : 520 is 98%, 521-523 is 99% and 524-528 is 100%
510 (80%), 512(85%),515(92%),517(95%),518(96%),519(97%)

HPME, PittGAP, Case Western, Rice/Baylor (really low med college tuition!), Brown PLME (not sure of BU. GW is way below). IMHO :slight_smile:

@Nvidia20 Out of 4 interviews you have , BU is the best. See Top 20 medical school data above and decide for yourself. Residency depends on what would you do in Medical School once you get there. Anything can happen between now and 7 years later when you decide on residency. Do not decide to join ANY BS/MD program just because you got into ONE.

@mi2019 - I will take NYU or Vandy or couple of other schools with free money given a chance :wink:

@mi2019 - So why BSMD for DS2 given your DS1 went traditional and at T20? You have unique experience to share.

Thank you for your perspective. What is your take assuming Step 1 rule stays P/F for foreseeable future. Will it impact the residency matches as in higher ranked/quality of life residencies go to more prestigious med schools?

@grtd2010 that is great update for your child and congrats to you folks. Refresh my memory, going for 3+4 or 4+4? Keep us posted about MCAT outcome next month. :smile:

@Docparent - If you google “allopathic medical school interview style,” you will see a list of sites. There is a site that shows up as a blog. I posted the link yesterday, but my message got deleted and I got a warning for CC.

@junebug20 We all gone through that learning curve. As a general rule of thumb, don’t post links of any consulting sites, you find them all the time when you Googled. Academic schools links are allowed, organization like AAMC for our purpose are allowed .

@PPofEngrDr - Great to know. I just wanted to give people the link to the long table instead of copying and pasting it. Won’t do that again. LOL.

@ppofbng

AAMC’s website has the latest on USMLE.
Here is a link to Aug 2019 article.

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/should-usmle-be-pass/fail

In short,

  1. there are no changes as of now. You continue to get scores.
  2. there are four recommendations proposed by InCUS committee and they received thousands of comments on their recommendations
  3. revised recommendations were expected by the end of the year
  4. Any changes related to the USMLE would need approval by the boards of the FSMB and NBME.

Personally, if you make Step 1 - pass/Fail (which is one of many options/ recommendations) - it will make the evaluation all the more difficult and frankly medical school ranking MAY become one substitute proxy. Currently, irrespective of the medical school, if your Step 1 scores are high, you will get noticed in the applications.

I remain skeptical that they will accept Step 1 - pass/fail.

But as I have indicated before, how Step 1 or USMLE scores changes should NOT impact whether you want to do medicine or not.

Does anyone know when REMS decisions for finalist/nonfinalist status are coming out?

Also there is opinion on SDN that if step 1 is made pass/fail then everyone will probably move to step 2 as the tool for scoring/differntiating candidates. Step 1 pass/fail will hurt DO to most extent.

Agree with NoviceDad that choosing schools now based on intended residency speciality or USMLE pass/fail possibility is too early. Also per googled info, most medical students change their intended speciality 3 to 4 times before finally selecting one. Something to keep in mind.

@srk2017

Why BS MD ? Even if he does not get or decide not to join later still this process will Push my younger one and he will know where he stands.

Do any of you know of any correlation between SAT scores and MCAT scores?
I struggled on the SAT (only 1530–800MATH 730ENG), so I’m worried that if I go to Harvard (instead of BS/MD), I won’t perform well on the MCAT because of the grueling CARS section).

@sgup10

MCAT is one exam. You will have to give USMLE - Step 1, 2, 3.

My suggestion is not to let the fear of one exam to significantly influence you.