Between CNU BSMD and Lecom BSDO, I have the following comments:
CNU is a new school, whether it will survive the recent problems is still up in the air. The more immediate question is their BS program. The options for the students in the program are limited, it is not like RPI/AMC that you have other UG options if medicine does not work out.
Am not sure what they offer in Lecom BSDO, I think the UG choices are limited as well. Lecom at least has a respectable long run DO school. If you did well, you may applied out after UG.
@hamzah25 I applied through another undergrad institution.
I believe there are a couple of different ways to apply, however (NJIT, Rutgers, Caldwell, Drew, TCNJ, Stevens etcā¦)
@sophie10000. As others have mentioned before Cal Northgate is a new medical school. They do require MCAT score of 510 and an undergraduate 3.5 GPA. As I understand they do not offer any financial aid or even consider FAFSA. It also is very expensive. On the other hand LECOM is a well established medical school. It puts a lot of emphasis on board exams resulting in students scoring well on Comlex as well as USMLE. A lot of their students do take USMLE. Their students get good residency matches actually much better than low tier MD schools. If you are not hung up on initials after your name (MD vs DO) that is the way to go. LECOM also has BS/DO program with more than 50 colleges and are adding more every year. If I understand it correctly, they even have stated that if the college you want to go to is not on the list you can tell them and they will work to get it on. They do not require another interview or MCAT after undergraduate. Also they have a pretty reasonable expectation in terms of GPA (3.4). That is pretty far any guarantee can go. They are also low cost in terms of tuition. If it was me, I will choose LECOM.
@BSMDDAD and others knowledgeable about DO programs,
My understanding is that the difference between MD and DO is shrinking at residency placements level. And there are some well known institutions like Michigan State also offering the DO programs. Will be great if you can throw further light on such matters. But they are as expensive as MD programs though. Couple of Dās high school batch mates went for direct DO programs in Nova South Eastern and NYIT.
@MMBoss2@bsmdmom here is some data on med school applicants from Penn undergrad I got from a friend thatās several years old but still relevant I think: https://ā ā ā ā ā ā /mCx26c. As you can see ~76% of people who apply are admitted (which doesnāt include the individuals who were āweeded outā by the coursework early on).
The BS/MD route obviously offers security in the case of Stony Brook and RPI/AMC, but it does come at the cost of potentially āsettlingā on a medical school that does not necessarily have the same level of research, mentorship/connections, and academic reputation as top tier schools, which affects placement into top residency programs (getting a top residency is more important for individuals considering a career that involves research). Most people here would tell you to go with the sure thing, but itās not necessarily a clear-cut right choice.
76% is rather a vague and generic figure. (like 96%@Princeton after weeding out, suppressing true figures and what not). Any statistics available as to how many from within the so called 76% actually made it to ātop residency programsā ? (I am yet to study it in detail).
I am asking this bcoz I either know directly or heard from others who knew directly, people who went to Cornell, JHU and MIT ended up in programs no where comparable to where they had studied.
@rk2017. It is true that the difference between DO and MD is shrinking by day. California actually converted all DOs to MDs a while back but now they again have three DO schools. AMA has been trying for years to confer every doctor a MD degree but it is Osteopathic association (AOA) that wants to stay separate. In my view Osteopathy should be a specialization in MD. From 2020 all residencies for MD and DO will be merged into one program. After that the difference between MD and DO will only be a semantics. If foreign medical graduates like MBBS who do residency in US are allowed (in some states required) to use MD after their names, how will anybody be able to stop a DO from using MD after their names when they all will go though the same residency programs. DO are already allowed to take USMLE and do allopathic residencies. DO curriculum is already identical to MD curriculum except that they do additional study in OMT. There are several reputed universities that now offer DO programs, for example Michigan State, Ohio University, PCOM, etc.
For those contemplating on the traditional route to medical school- here is a table ( I created manually last year for my DD ) with avg old MCAT and avg UG GPA, LizzyM score = LizzyM score is defined as (GPA*10)+MCAT and may contain a +1 or -1 modifier in certain situations, and new Equivalent MCAT(approximation)
Disclaimer: Please verify data yourself for accuracy. There is no guarantee of any kind with this info. This is for entertainment purposes only.
School Name Avg Old MCAT Avg UG GPA LizzyM Score New MCAT
Washington University - STL, MO 37.4 3.8 75.8 520
Vanderbilt University 36.7 3.9 75.4 519
University of Pennslyvania-SOM 37 3.8 75.4 519
Northwestern University 36 3.9 74.7 518
Yale University 36.6 3.8 74.7 519
Univ of Pittsburgh 36 3.9 74.5 518
Columbia Medical School 36 3.8 74.2 518
Harvard Medical School 36 3.8 74 518
John Hopkins 35.3 3.9 74 517
Univ of Chicago 36 3.8 74 518
Case Western Reserve University 34.6 3.9 73.6 516
Baylor College of Medicine 35 3.8 73.4 516
SUNY-Downstate MC, Brooklyn,NY 35 3.8 73.4 516
NYU School of Medicine 35 3.8 72.9 516
UCLA SOM 35 3.8 72.8 516
Stanford University SOM 35 3.8 72.7 516
University of Michigan 34.8 3.8 72.7 516
Weil Cornell Medical School 34.8 3.8 72.6 516
University of Virgina SOM 33.5 3.9 72.5 515
UT-SW Medical Center School 33.9 3.9 72.4 515
Duke University SOM 35 3.7 72.3 516
Icahn SOM at Mount Sinai 35 3.7 72 516
USC SOM 35 3.7 72 516
Darthmouth SOM 34 3.8 72 515
Albany Medical College 36 3.6 72 518
University of Colorado, Denver 34 3.8 72 515
University of Vermont-COM 34.4 3.8 72 515
UC-SF SOM 34 3.8 71.7 515
UCSD SOM, LaJolla 34.1 3.7 71.5 515
University of Miami SOM 33.5 3.8 71.1 515
St Louis University SOM 32.7 3.8 71.1 513
Emory University SOM 34 3.7 71 515
Ohio State University-COM 34 3.7 71 515
University of Rochester SOM 33 3.8 70.8 514
Mayo Medical School, Rochester 33 3.8 70.8 514
University of Cincinnati SOM 33 3.7 70.4 514
UC- Irvine SOM 33 3.7 70.1 514
University of Iowa - COM 32.3 3.8 69.9 512
University of Florida SOM 32.2 3.7 69.8 512
UNC-Chapel Hill SOM 31.9 3.8 69.8 512
University of Wisconsin - SOM 32 3.8 69.8 512
Brown University SOM 32.7 3.7 69.7 513
Tufts University SOM 32.8 3.7 69.5 513
UCF SOM 32 3.8 69.5 512
SUNY-Buffalo SOM 32 3.8 69.5 512
Florida Atlantic University SOM 32.4 3.7 69.4 513
University of Minnesota-SOM 32 3.7 69.2 512
UT-Houston Medical School 31.4 3.8 69.1 511
UT-HC San Antonio SOM 31.8 3.7 69.1 512
University of Maryland, SOM 31.7 3.7 69.1 512
USF SOM 31 3.8 69 510
Wayne State SOM 31.5 3.7 68.9 511
Rutgers-NJMS 32.5 3.6 68.8 513
Temple University - LKSOM 32 3.7 68.8 512
University of Kentucky - SOM 31.9 3.7 68.8 512
Medical College of Georgia, Augusta,GA 31.3 3.7 68.6 511
Tulane University - SOM 33.2 3.5 68.5 514
Medical University of South Carolina - COM 31.5 3.7 68.5 511
Indiana University -SOM 31 3.7 68.4 510
University of Hawaii - SOM 31 3.7 68.1 510
Rutgers-Robertwood Johnson Medical School 31.5 3.6 67.9 511
Oregon Health & Science University - SOM 31.2 3.6 67.6 511
Georgetown University - SOM 31.5 3.6 67.5 511
University Of Oklahoma - SOM 30 3.7 67.4 508
University Of Alabama, Birmingham- SOM 30 3.7 67.2 508
University of Illinois - COM, Chicago 31 3.6 67 510
George Washington University -SOM 30 3.7 66.8 508
Texas A & M University- COM 30.1 3.7 66.7 508
SUNY-Upstate COM, Syracuse, NY 30 3.6 66.4 508
Northeast Ohio University-COM 29 3.7 66.3 506
VCU- MC SOM 30.2 3.6 66.2 508
University of South Alabama COM, Mobile,AL 30 3.6 66 508
University of Missoui-KC 28 3.7 65.2 504
Chicago Medical School Rosaland Franklin 30 3.5 65 508
University of Washington - SOM, Seattle, WA 28 3.5 63 504
Boston University, Boston, MA No data found
Drexel University, Philly, PA No data found
Boston University, Boston, MA 2017 incoming class stats
The 126 4-year MD students were selected from a pool of over 10,000 individuals who submitted initial applications to BUSM. On the academic side, this is one of the best qualified classes we have ever had. The mean undergraduate GPA in this group was 3.71 and the mean MCAT was 516 (94%).
The 173 students in the entering class of 2017 are drawn from the following subgroups:
126 Four-Year MD
5 MD-PhD
10Early Medical School Selection Program (EMSSP)
23 Seven-Year BA-MD Program
9 Modular Medical Integrated Curriculum (MMEDIC)
Hey! My name is Amanda Schorr, and Iām almost positive Iām attending the BS/MD program at Hofstra. Whatās your name? Are you planning on going? @lebaggies