<p>You act as if graduates of other universities have no access to NYC during the summers of their undergraduate education nor once they have graduated. Stating how wrong that is would be redundant, so I’ll instead kindly ask you to reconsider the validity and logic of the assertion.</p>
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<p>You might want to ask people who are familiar with UCB and UM before you assume you are right. Undergraduates have research opportunities at many universities, and I’m fairly sure that the students of the aforementioned institution are in this group.</p>
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<p>How does having an international campus make a university reknowned internationally? It makes it well-known, but the university has to be quality, as well, in order to be reknowned. The mere existence of a foreign campus does not make the university good. You need more support before you can prove UM and NYU are peer institutions.</p>
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<p>People should always heed the advice they give. I’ll leave the interpretation to you.</p>
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<p>Or they look at the relatively weak student faculty ratio (for a private university), abject failure that is their financial aid, and notable absence of quality and quantity in research. Most people claim NYU is overrated when considering the US News rankings (i.e. overrated in US News), not take the US News ranking at face value when assessing its quality. I don’t necessarily support the aforementioned views (primarily the third one, since I have little experience with NYU’s research, other than that it doesn’t compare to top publics or HYPS/research Ivies), but if you read other threads, that is what you will find. It sounds a bit more credible to me than the reasons you listed in your rant.</p>
<p>NYU appears as No. 23 in the US and No. 31 in the world.</p>
<p>In both of these widely cited rankings, NYU ranks significantly higher than in the “standard” US News rankings. This is of course due to the fact that different rankings differ in the weights they give to various factors which enter into the overall score. And there is no unique set of weights.</p>
<p>Actually…I go to Michigan and we have a program called UROP (Undergraduate Research Opportunity Program). Thousands of undergraduates are paired with top researchers across the University. They then take an extra step and allow the students to build something unique upon each researcher’s project. Thousands of students participate in this program…FYI</p>
<p>NYU is just different. They’re forced to be extremely selective in terms of admissions because of the massive amounts of applications they receive. As of recent, our society idolizes the whole city lifestyle. Teenage girls are roaming the streets of NY dreaming of lives like the women in Sex & The City. Americans are moving back to cities. </p>
<p>One does not have a typical college experience at NYU. I wanted the whole campus feel so I decided to go to UM. We’re comparing apples to oranges in this thread regarding NYU. It’s a very good school but its differences from large well known research entities like Michigan and Berekely are too abundant.</p>
<p>I think every school has that. At Clemson, there’s a program called Creative Inquiry which is basically the opportunity for students to work on a research project. (And another great way to bump down their US News class sizes since you CI is a class you have to register for haha)</p>
<p>One of the easiest ways to move up is to get a ton more applications. </p>
<p>Wherever Emma Watson ends up will get a boost in applications in the next few years…lots of Harry Potter addicts out there. If some school snagged some of the “Twilight” actors, it would get a boost, too.</p>
<p>If I was an admissions director at a school that was hot to move up in the rankings, I’d already have somebody courting Miranda Cosgrove and Salena Gomez. Never underestimate the herd instinct.</p>
<p>^^^ Well, Emma Watson will be attending Brown. However, Brown has already an acceptance rate of 10% and I doubt that it will go down any further. They peaked at over 25 000 applications this year which is where Harvard was at about 4 years ago. And after all, who would apply to a college because someone famous is going there?</p>
<p>“And after all, who would apply to a college because someone famous is going there?” A lot of people. And Brown’s acceptance rate fell heavily this year with word of Emma Watson coming, it wasn’t already at 10%</p>
<p>MyOpinion: I agree. If students apply to schools for stupid reasons like that, they’ll get rejected. </p>
<p>I doubt any Brown student is there because of Miss Watson’s presence, just as I’m sure NYU students aren’t dropping $50k a year to be around celebrities and, to fulfill their dreams of “living lives like the women in Sex & The City”, as Ibleedblue put it. I certainly hope this isn’t your perception of NYU students at least…</p>
<p>btw NuclearPakistan, NYU does have undergraduate research opportunities.</p>
<p>Dude, you have no idea of what your talking about. Most ivies (except Princeton and Penn) plus Stanford and MIT had a significant drop in acceptance rate this year. At the time of applications being submitted (prior to Jan) no one knew where she was attending (Brown, Harvard, Oxford or Yale). Brown’s selectivity has been increasing year after year, without Emma Watson…If anything, she would likely just raise the profile of the school further. That’s all.</p>
<p>Acceptance rates are likely to keep going down across the board as the number of applicants (percentage of the population going to college) keeps going up while the number of places offered by the universities either remains constant or grows much more slowly. </p>
<p>Even if colleges/universities wanted to grow the size of their freshmen class, there are concrete limitations to their ability to increase enrollment. For example, they would have to hire more faculty, expand dorm/classroom space, etc. That of course has a cost that may not be offset by increased tuition revenue.</p>
<p>Certainly there would be SOME students who would apply JUST because a certain celebrity would be there, especially somebody from an exceptionally prominent fad like the Harry Potter movies (and it wouldn’t take very high % of the pool of possible applicants to make a statistical impact). </p>
<p>Even more likely, it would suddenly make that school even “cooler” and even more famous and prominent, and get more applicants for those sort of “indirect” reasons. I was a grad student at U of St. Andrews before Prince William went there, and there weren’t very many American undergrads there. Now the school is something like 30% American.</p>
<p>If you’ve read any of the recent threads about the bizarre and trite reasons high school seniors use to add or subtract a college from their list, there’s little doubt the darling Ms. Watson and her transparent knickers will have at least SOME impact. This isn’t a second-rate hack like Josh Peck or Ashley Olsen we’re talking about.</p>
Most Americans don’t care about British royalty at all and it’s not like he goes there now, so I doubt that’s the reason Americans are flocking there.</p>
<p>Some of y’all need to relax about rankings…do you think your Profs are gonna become better teachers overnight because your school broke the Top 20? Don’t you realize USNWR just shakes things up each year to sell their rag? No one cares about minor differences in Undergrad rankings in the real world…a brand name like HYP will be impressive but most people haven’t heard of most top 100 colleges. </p>
<p>Stop whining NYU students, you guys are being defensive over nothing. I thought NYU was a State U growing up, that didn’t make me think less of it. Seriously, there’s not much of a difference in most of these “top colleges”. We’re all reading the same textbooks and learning from similar Profs who all have PhD’s. Sure some schools have better research opportunities or small classes and that’s why you have to pick based on fit, but don’t even pretend that you’re getting a better education when your school is ranked #26 instead of #29 or something like that.</p>
<p>I’m not saying they go to St Andrews to MEET Prince William, but once he went there, the school went from just about no Americans knowing about it to everybody who picked up a People magazine in the dentist’s office in the last 10 years knowing about it, and thinking it must be a good place. Likewise, I explicitly said there would certainly be some who will apply to Brown because Emma Watson is THERE, but probably a greater number will apply just because she’s made it a much cooler and more famous place… Again, all of the People magazine readers will know about it now, which means if you go to Brown, your Aunt Thelma in Memphis will know about where you are going, will be impressed that you go there, and won’t bust your chops that you aren’t going to Local State U.</p>
<p>“Dude, you have no idea of what your talking about. Most ivies (except Princeton and Penn) plus Stanford and MIT had a significant drop in acceptance rate this year. At the time of applications being submitted (prior to Jan) no one knew where she was attending” Rumors had been swirling around all over the place last summer, reports came out that she had been touring Brown when I viisted there last July. Okay, maybe it did sound like I was implying that the acceptance rate did drop because of her, but I was more pointing out that Brown’s acceptance rate wasn’t always at 10%</p>