<p>Oh, sorry. Never mind. My mistake.</p>
<p>But while you're here... chances for Huntsman/Wharton ED?</p>
<p>Caucasian Female
SATs: 770CR, 780M, 800W
French: 770
Math II: 780
Chem: 800
ACT: 36
Rank: 2 or 3/320
GPA: 4.72
Courseload: Most difficult possible for my school.
AP Scores: AB Calc 5, US History 5, English L+C 5, French 4, Chemistry 5, Bio 5; will take Physics, English Lit, Environmental, Both Econs, Euro, and BC Calc.<br>
ECs:
FBLA: Community Service VP; regional, state, and national awards; I am on 2 national FBLA committees. Won some other awards too.
Mentoring 10-15 hours per week.<br>
French Honor Society President
Took 2 college courses in Spanish and 1 in Latin (got As and A+s in them)
Math/Science Club: Public Relations, Membership VP, lots of awards in Chemistry, Physics, and Math
Temple Youth Group Treasurer for 4 years
Girl Scouts--I worked with the town historical society for my gold award project. I've since written articles for them and given presentations at meetings.
History Club--Public Education Officer, Community Liaison, History Club Member of the Year (07)
Drama Club--Printed/sold tickets and worked on sound since I was 12.</p>
<p>Summer Stuff:
Latin at Stanford (06)
ASA Oxford (05)--Studied Shakespeare at Oxford, England
Worked in chemistry lab (07)</p>
<p>Anything else I should add?...</p>
<p>Bump? Pretty please?</p>
<p>Looks good, definitely a good chance.</p>
<p>But what are you writing about for your most significant EC essay? Did your chem lab work turn into an Intel, Siemens, ISEF project? Are your 'lots of awards in Chemistry, Physics, and Math' qualifying in olympiads/AMC?</p>
<p>My research didn't turn into anything. My chem/physics/math things are qualifying for the AIME, and a couple state-wide things in chem and physics. For my most significant EC, I was planning on putting FBLA because I have a national award, a chapter position, and two national positions, and I spend a lot of time on it. Also, it's all I have that really reflects my interest in business.</p>
<p><em>sniffle</em> please? what i really want to know about is huntsman... i have no idea how competitive of an applicant i am and it's making me kind of anxious.</p>
<p>Enuf with the bumping already - if you are this annoying in person it doesn't portend well.</p>
<p>Your #'s are fine but Huntsman is extremely difficult to get into - you are talking about admit rates (and yields) that are in Harvard territory and only 45 seats. So, nobody has a good chance, no matter what their #'s are. You just have to apply and hope for the best.</p>
<p>It's the Huntsman Prog. in INTERNATIONAL studies - what is your INTERNATIONAL angle. You gotta have one.</p>
<p>Try to raise your ACT score a bit.</p>
<p>Actually I would sent either SAT or ACT but not both - otherwise it makes you look like a test nerd. You are clearly academically qualified - its the other intangibles that you have to sell yourself on.</p>
<p>Normally I'd say send only ACT for Wharton (counts as both SAT I and II) with that score (they will convert it to 2400, but Huntsman will want to see foreign lang. score and College Board sends either all scores or none. So I'd say send SATs but not ACT - it doesn't prove anything in your case.</p>
<p>Remember, in general, what they want is "really cool interesting person who happens to be brilliant also" rather than just someone they know will spend 4 yrs in the library seeking another 4.0 average.</p>
<p>Send both test scores, as they actually test different things. They'll consider the better one (and a 36 on the ACT is statistically rarer than the 2400 on the SAT).</p>
<p>Yes, they'll "consider" it but they won't consider it any different than the 2350 she already has. As I said before, what little "extra credit" you get by being a 36 is outweighed IMHO by the fact that they'll wonder what type of person would take the ACT if they were already sitting on a 2350 (or vice versa). A 2350 already makes it abundantly clear that you are prepared to do Penn level work, but what else do you have to offer? One of the reason why so many 2400s get turned down is that 2400 is often accompanied by a super-nerdy obsessive personality, which is a type that they don't like.</p>
<p>That's absolutely ridiculous - it's the lame "too good of score" argument that keeps making the rounds every couple of years. Someone suggests that having too high of a score can penalize you, like they'll hold you to a higher standard or something. Should you take the ACT if you've taken the SAT and done well? Probably not worth the time. That's not up for debate here - she's already taken and done well on both. While there are diminishing returns to increasing performance on test scores, it's certainly a monotonic function as far as admissions goes. C.p., a better score is always better. Give them both of your score sets, and let the office decide which they like better, as it certainly will not hurt you.</p>
<p>The 2400s that get rejected? It's not because they're too nerdy - it's because all too often they don't have activities, leadership experience, or appropriate grades. It's not because they have personalities that the office doesn't like - do you really think they capture your personality from your application? (Or from your test score, as you seem to imply?)</p>
<p>I've already sent both scores, so that's not exactly an issue, though I must admit I hadn't even thought of it that way. I hope mattwonder is right about that.</p>
<p>And no, I'm not this annoying in real life. It's just that I was hoping for a couple responses and I only got one. Now that I have a few more I'll stop bumping. :) Sorry...</p>
<p>I disagree with the monotonic function bit - the point of SAT's as far as the adcoms are concerned, is to prove that you have the minimum brains necessary to undertake the curriculum. Once you have passed that threshold, which is well below 2400 (in the case of URMs, WAAY below 2400) then more is not better, more is indifferent. Your "more is better" idea only encourages the idiots who already have a 2300 but take the ACT/SAT "one more time" in hopes of "improving" their scores. Yes, the adcoms do get a surprisingly good picture of your personality and whether you are the type of person who takes the SAT over and over despite having gotten a really good score your first time is part of the picture.</p>
<p>Just to clarify - a higher score gives you SLIGHTLY better chances but not significantly .</p>
<p>See the chart here: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.admissionsug.upenn.edu/applying/profile.php%5B/url%5D">http://www.admissionsug.upenn.edu/applying/profile.php</a></p>
<p>14% of students with Math SATs as low as 600 get in. By the time you've raised your math SATs from 600 to 800 , the admit rate is up to 21%. So, 6 out of 7 600M's get rejected but only 4 out of 5 800Ms - big deal.</p>