Ohio State vs. Miami U vs. Ohio U vs. UCincinnati

College Search & Selection
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<p>I'd hardly call Ohio State "a bit harder to get into" than UC. </p>

<p>I said in my first post that DAAP is a great program. Heck, I wish it was at Ohio State. That being said, it's like Ohio U's journalism school. Just because it's significantly harder to get into than the rest of its university doesn't mean that most Ohio State freshmen couldn't get in. I went to DAAPs admission site, and it seems that each program has its own requirements. The general standard for DAAP is pretty low: college prep curriculum and graduate in the top half of your high school class--that's everyone at Ohio State except a few athletes. Looking at the individual programs, it would seem that architecture has the most stringent requirements: 28 ACT and top 10% of high school class--that's half of Ohio State's 2007 freshmen class. Design was 25 ACT and top 20% of freshmen class--that's roughly 85% of Ohio State's 2007 freshmen class.</p>

<p>Here's the overall freshmen classes for Ohio State and UC taken directly from the common data set. For comparison's sake, I've included Miami of Ohio and OU.</p>

<p>Acceptance Rate
Ohio State: 52%
UC: 76%
Miami of Ohio: 78%
OU: 82%</p>

<p>Middle 50% Range on ACT
Ohio State: 26-30
UC: 21-27
Miami of Ohio: 24-28
OU: 21-26</p>

<p>Percent Scoring 30 or over on ACT
Ohio State: 27%
UC: 9%
Miami of Ohio: 15%
OU: 7%</p>

<p>Percent Scoring 23 or Under on ACT
Ohio State: 9%
UC: 50%
Miami of Ohio: 21%
OU: 53%</p>

<p>Percent of freshmen in top 10% of high school class
Ohio State: 57%
UC:21%
Miami of Ohio: 35%
OU: 15%</p>

<p>Percent of freshmen in top 25% of high school class
Ohio State: 91%
UC:45%
Miami of Ohio: 72%
OU: 41%</p>

<p>Percent of freshmen in bottom half of high school class
Ohio State: 1%
UC: 23%
Miami of Ohio: 2%
OU: 17%</p>

<p>I'll admit that UC has moved beyond being a purely open admissions campus recently. I'll also admit that-due to DAAP and a decent engineering college--they attract slightly more high ability students than the other Ohio publics, with the exception of Ohio State and Miami. That being said, once you get past the cream, the standards at UC drop pretty quickly and fairly dramatically.</p>

<p>I realize that--because Ohio had a governor hostile to Ohio State in the 60s and 70s who forced it to have open admissions and fall behind most of the other Big Ten schools, there is still a lingering perception among some that there is no real difference between the Ohio public universities. The reality is that Rhodes' policies were abandoned almost immediately after he left office in 1982, and today Ohio State is easily the most selective public university in Ohio and roughly 5th or 6th among Big Ten schools.</p>

<p>Ohio State was founded by the state to be its flagship comprehensive research university. The state wrote that into law in 1906, and the Association of American Universities recognized it in 1916 by electing Ohio State to membership (still the only Ohio public college among the AAU's 60 members). It's the role that Ohio State reassumed after Rhodes left office, and its the role that's about to be once again be formally recognized by the state government when the Regents release their 10 year plan at the end of the month. </p>

<p>It's a frustrating and sad peculiarity of Ohio's "city-state" political nature that many of its citizens not only refuse to give their flagship public university the least bit of credit for anything but can even be actively hostile to it. I do know that during the government forced open admissions period in the sixties and seventies, Ohio State's faculty and administrators routinely flunked out the quarter of each freshmen class who they felt should never have been admitted in the first place. Perhaps as these bitter souls pass from the scene, Ohio State will start enjoying more widespread appreciation for what it brings to Ohio--sometimes even despite the worst intentions of its own Governor.</p>

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<p>Sh60614. I am not sure where you are geting your DAAP admission information;however here are some facts published on UC's site about DAAP for Industrial Design:</p>

<p>GPA: 3.55 - 3.91 (4.00 scale)
ACT score: 25 - 28
SAT score: 1130 - 1280 (Critical Reading and Math)
average class rank: top 20% </p>

<p>See Industrial</a> Design: Design Track: Admission Information</p>

<p>For architecteure, median stats are as follows:
GPA: 3.75 - 4.00 (4.00 scale)
ACT score: 28 - 31
SAT score: 1265 - 1375 (Critical Reading and Math only)
average class rank: top 10% </p>

<p>See: Bachelor</a> of Science in Architecture: Admission Information</p>

<p>For Interior Design, the stats are as follows:</p>

<p>GPA: 3.70 - 4.00 (4.00 scale)
ACT score: 27 - 30
SAT score: 1210 - 1330 (Critical Reading and Math only)
average class rank: top 15% </p>

<p>See Bachelor</a> of Science in Interior Design: Admission Information</p>

<p>These are just three DAAP programs that I chose. I also found that the admission rate ( per DAAP admission office) is under 30% of most programs!</p>

<p>Thus, as I noted before, admission to DAAP is harder than that of OSU in general.</p>

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<p>Sh606 & Tax:</p>

<p>Thank you for the information. It seems that there are definitely nuances between selectivity and majors, as well as overall selectivity between the schools.</p>

<p>So would you say that my friend, if she knows what she wants to major in should look at the specific programs, or should she look at the overall picture (being that most college students change their major)?</p>

<p>She's trying to choose between Anthropology & Architecture. Not quite sure how to handle that. But, she's interested in everything (follows her curiosity and learns from it) but that makes for great conversations.</p>

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<p>sh,</p>

<p>Your figures for OSU are a little off. OSU's fall admission rate for 2007 is closer to 60%, right about 57.12% You can do the math using OSU's own report:
<a href="http://oem.osu.edu/docs/finalAU07_071029.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://oem.osu.edu/docs/finalAU07_071029.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Also, for Autumn 2007 admissions, the number of students in the top 10% of their prep school class was 53%, not 57% per OSU: </p>

<p><a href="http://oem.osu.edu/docs/NFQF_Au07_15th%20Day_web.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://oem.osu.edu/docs/NFQF_Au07_15th%20Day_web.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>No worries, my son helped with both these stats :) </p>

<p>IsleBoy, Taxguy had the best advice...A visit is worth much more than a bunch of numbers. That being said, since your friend is out of state, the private vs. public merit aid situation can really make the private college a much more attractive option. If she is not set in a major and wants a more liberal arts focus, she may find Oberlin, Dennison, College of Wooster, Ohio Wesleyan or Kenyon to be a better fit than bigger state schools</p>

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<p>BaghDAD:</p>

<p>She is also applying to Wooster, Marietta, Denison, and Earlham (it counts because it's very close to the OH border). And, she prefers Wooster and Earlham to the other two. Oberlin was on her list, but they were not very responsive (I was a little surprised) compared to the rest of her choices, so that was thrown out. She liked Kenyon until she realized that the town was so small, so that was take off the list as well.</p>

<p>It's funny...but she's a little worried about the LACs because of their size. She grew up in LA, so it's more about having choices. It's not a huge concern, but it's enough that she's looking at larger universities. She's asked me why I chose to attend a private university when my first choice was a LAC; and, although I've told her it was more about comparative advantage (of which cost was a factor), I think she's trying to read more into it because I'm happy with my decision.</p>

<p>Also, she likes spectator sports, rah-rah school spirit, and alternatives to the Greek scene and alcohol. She's mature for her age--old soul--so it's been interesting to see her go through the process.</p>

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<p>Isleboy,</p>

<p>I would agree with BaghDAD regarding the LAC options. One thing that the LACs suggested differ in is their proximity to a major city. Ohio Wesleyan is 20minutes away from Columbus, Ohio. Not that Columbus is so hip but it sure beats Gambier, Oberlin, Granville or Wooster.</p>

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<p>peter05:</p>

<p>I forgot to list Ohio Wesleyan, she's applying there as well. But, she's worried that she won't get in. Apparently, the Common Application site did not make the OWU choice available to her (the site said that when the deadline was available for the Fall it would be clickable). She finally call the admissions office, and they suggested printing out a copy and sending it via snail mail. It was a day or so before the deadline (for transfers). The website did not have the transfer deadline listed (I double checked), so she was very concerned. It's funny, but depending on the school, some consider her a transfer and others a first-year student due to a good number of CC credit while in HS. OWU considers her a transfer.</p>

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<p>How are the Honors programs at each of the larger state schools?</p>

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<p>Isleboy, I can only speak for UC's honors program. They give special sections for courses and early registration for courses, and your diploma will note "Honors."</p>

<p>Also , there are three categories of Honors: Low, regular and distinguished.</p>

<p>Low Honors only requires 24 credits of honors courses and I think 3.25 overall GPA.. In addition, you can take ANY course for honors credit for some additional work or paper. This is true for all honors requirements,which gives a lot of flexibility. In addition, they will award up to 6 honors credits for AP courses or transfer credits.</p>

<p>Regular honors requires 35 credits of honors courses. Distinguished Honors requires the same 35 credit but also requires a 3.75 overall average.</p>

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<p>I can only comment on our very small sample size of 1.</p>

<p>D has 29 ACT, 3.4UW/3.55W, 35% rank at her HS, OOS. She was accepted at UC DAAP (graphic design), but not accepted at OSU. Technically, she can go to OSU, but has to start at a branch campus or summer or winter quarter at Columbus. Since she would qualify for the National Buckeye Award if she started in the fall at Columbus, this means four years at OSU would cost us about $29K more than if she was allowed to start in the fall.</p>

<p>The general impression I have gotten based on the stats from the in-state students that have been accepted on the OSU forum. is that it is easier to get in to OSU as an in-state freshman or transfer student than an OOS freshman.</p>

<p>We visited both the OSU College of Design and UC DAAP. UC definitely has some advantages with the co-op program, newer facilities, and they don't require a portfolio review after your freshman year. But we also liked OSU and they are fairly well respected although not ranked as highly as UC. So if you love OSU and are interested in design, I would encourage you to visit both schools.</p>

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<p>Thank you Tax & Adv! :) </p>

<p>I'll pass that along. It's funny, but its only been a few years since I applied, but it seems that fit is becoming more important to an extent. Either that or I've forgotten how exciting (and daunting) the process was.</p>

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<p>I know that I’m a little late in posting here, but I think that I might have some valuable insight. Let me first explain that I am a current college student from Ohio and I have considered and applied to all of these schools in the past. I started at Wright State University, and have since tansferred to Miami University. I am an accounting (business) major and honestly I transfered here out of pressure from my long time girlfriend who is a current student and my mom. Here’s my breakdown of the schools:</p>

<p>Miami U- It’s true, Oxford is a small town in the middle of nowhere…and it’s also true that this campus is populated by snobby rich kids. There is a reason however that millionaires from all around the country send their kids to this school to study business even despite the outrageous out-of-state tuition cost: it’s ranked 16th in the nation. Students graduate from this school and get high paying jobs. And I’m not just tooting my own school’s horn. According to my girlfriend, who happens to be an education major (yeah I know, we’re stereotypical), the education school is competitive around the same level. This being said, this campus has it’s share of ups and downs. Pros-great education, smaller classes, great sports (as long as you appreciate other sports that aren’t necessarily football…you will learn to love hockey games), hot girls, lots of partying potential on any day of the week, excellent intramural sports programs, and an extremely beautiful campus. Cons- Everyone looks exactly the same, almost zero diversity…people just begin to assume that any african american male they see walking around campus is either on the football or basketball team, and everything is run by fraternities/sororities. ALL OF THIS BEING SAID, you should know that I am planning to transfer. Where to you ask? THE Ohio State University.</p>

<p>Ohio State University- After a lot of deliberation and an acceptance letter, I decided that I will follow in my footsteps of both of my parents and transfer for the final time to OSU. Why? I have absolutely loved every minute that I’ve spent visiting friends there. It is a great school that offers the ideal college experience. Not to mention Miami took only a third of my Wright State credits and none of my academic equivalency credit I earned while in military (National Guard) training. When I transfer to OSU, I will actually be closer to my goal of graduating, and at the same time my costs (tuition and living expenses) will reduce to be about half of what it costs to live now. And for a final cherry on top if you will, I have been a Buckeye football fan since I was born…not that this is a deciding factor, but who doesn’t want to have an undying pride for their college of choice? Just a thought.</p>

<p>Ohio U- I’ve visited OU countless times to visit friends, and the only thing that I can remember about this school is that it has a pretty campus, and there is a TON of booze. I don’t know these kids even make it to their classes. That all being said, my friends who are students there are either Journalism type majors or have transferred elsewhere. </p>

<p>UC- Nice campus surrounded by the ghetto, the place is seriously an island. I’m from the Dayton area, and I have a lot of friends at UC that actually really enjoy going to school there. UC however is not as academically recognized as the others on the list. I was accepted right out of high school and my grades were not by any means spectacular. In fact some people claim that they were accepted before they even sent a transcript…I don’t necessarily believe these statements though. Like I said, I applied to all of the schools on the list out of high school. UC was the only one I got in to, and I sent that application in at the last minute.</p>

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<p>^^ Congrats OP!! Welcome to the buckeye family!! “OH~” lol</p>

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<p>^^ Yes, two years after the OP is a little late.</p>

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<p>^^ oh, yes! I meant to congrat ‘Provo89’ lol~</p>