<p>lol. ^^ .</p>
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As for oppression, my family had to endure a lot. They had no easy life as Irish immigrants and faced their share of discrmination. My grandfather was the oldest of 11 kids and had to work as a kid just to support his family. He wasn't in any position to oppress anyone. That is why I think it is unfair to assume that all white people were slave owners and all white people come from rich families.
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<p>Yes - historically there had been prejudice against the Irish, Italians and other white ethnic groups.</p>
<p>However, the difference is that these prejudices eventually faded and nowadays these groups are largely just seen as "white".</p>
<p>Otoh, blacks, Asians and non-white Hispanics don't have that luxury.</p>
<p>For example, a white person can immigrate to the US. By the next generation - his children would be just seen as another "American".</p>
<p>Otoh, an American of East Asian (or South Asian, Arab, etc.) descent, even if they are 4th or 5th gen American, will often still be viewed as a "foreigner."</p>
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True. Whites only make up about 10% of the world's population today. And every year the number decreases, due to racial mixing (when a black man has a child with a white woman, or vice-versa, the child is considered black) and also white people just not procreating at the rate of other races anymore.
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<p>And when an Asian person and a white person have a child - that child will be seen as whichever race they more closely resemble (in addition, whether they have an Asian last name or a caucasian last name also factors into the equation).</p>
<p>Case in point - Keanu Reeves and Russell Wong. Even though they are both hapas and have roughly comparable acting skills (Do I dare say Wong is the superior actor? But then again, it's not really saying much.), the fact that Wong looks Asian and has an Asian surname has relegated him to playing stereotypical roles.</p>
<p>Reeves, otoh, has had a much more varied and, I might add, lucrative career.</p>
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That's not entirely true. White people have been oppressed for a very long time... by other white people. Just look at how the rich whites step all over the poor whites, then use racism to confuse the oppressed into complacency.
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<p>And rich Asians have been oppressing poor Asians in Asia, rich Africans have been oppressing poor Africans in Africa, etc.</p>
<p>What exactly do you think poor Southerners were fighting for during the Civil War (and during segregation)?</p>
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Hence, affirmative action and other such things are wrong.
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<p>There are a variety of affirmative action programs, but there are basically 2 types.</p>
<p>One, for example, gives a boost to underqualified candidates (such as in college admissions).</p>
<p>The other ensures that **qualified<a href="or%20better%20qualified">/b</a> candidates aren't rejected from employment or promotion simply due to their race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, etc. (such as when a company refuses to hire a black candidate with BETTER qualifications simply b/c he/she is black).</p>
<p>As for the first type - some argue that race based affirmative action is wrong. But what about affirmative action based on economic standing (both the poor and the wealthy) or AA based on gender (more and more schools are using AA with regard to male applicants in order to maintain gender equality - this basically helps WMs)?</p>
<p>I agree that a black kid from a privileged background shouldn't get a significant break simply for being black since, after all, he/she has had all the advantages (a significant portion, if not the majority, of the black student body comes from the privileged classes and not low-income families who really do need the help).</p>
<p>As for the "black power" club (if true) - the name, IMO, needs to be changed.</p>
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However, the difference is that these prejudices eventually faded and nowadays these groups are largely just seen as "white".
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<p>I still see some confusion amongst people of Southern European descent as to whether they are "white" or not. And some of them still live in ethnic enclaves (i.e Little Italy).</p>
<p>Little Italy in most cities has become nothing more than an artificially maintained tourist trap.</p>
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Little Italy in most cities has become nothing more than an artificially maintained tourist trap.
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<p>I've actually never been to one, so I wouldn't know what it's like there. Still, I once had a Portuguese guy tell me that his girlfriend was "half-Portuguese, half-white". I asked him, "Aren't Portuguese people white?", and he said, "No." In some people's minds, whites are predominantly WASPs, so if you happen to be swarthy, curly-haired, and Catholic, you're not really white.</p>
<p>Eh...I think that guy's a bit crazy, personally.</p>
<p>He's not the only Southern European I've known who does not consider his countrymen to be white.</p>
<p>Apparently there's a NAAWP. I lol'ed.</p>
<p>Granted, it was started by David Duke. But seriously. Do white people need to be advanced?</p>
<p><em>undermining the debate of this thread</em></p>
<p>everybody needs to be advanced. just some people need to be advanced more than others.</p>
<p>I know a girl and her parents are French (not immigrants). We were talking about something or other at lunch one day and she responded to someone (in an 'indignant' tone) "I'm not white!" Juice came out of my nose at that point.</p>
<p>Maybe her family is proud of their European roots, and does not appreciate being lumped into a homogeneous, culture-less group like "the whites".</p>
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He's not the only Southern European I've known who does not consider his countrymen to be white.
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<p>The US govt., college admissions boards, etc. all consider him and his brethren to be white (plus, in South/Central America - he would definitely also be considered "white").</p>
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The US govt., college admissions boards, etc. all consider him and his brethren to be white
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<p>That hardly matters in the real world. Aren't Arabs defined as white as well?</p>
<p>It seems immature. Rationally is it racist? No not really unless your willing to apply a different standards to different races which in itself violates the definition of racism.</p>
<p>The way I see it, whites don't need superficial clubs and catchy phrases to be proud of their heritage. Western society itself essentially stands as a monument to caucasian's if you prefer you analyze the world from a "macroethnic" perspective. Chances are if you need a club to affirm your faith in your ethnicity than chances are from a global ethnic perspective yours has accomplished relatively little. Mind you this is only if your conceptual framework for anaylzing history and politics is based upon ethnicity.</p>
<p>Secondly I can think of no reputable school that wishes to in any way associate itself with radically conservative militant Aryan groups.</p>
<p><em>shrugs</em> If they want they can give the ACLU a call if they think they have a case. I'd recommend going to the library and checking out the ACLU's guide to student rights if they are at a public school. However it is my opinion that this would seem to be a bit of a paradox, even if he won in court, he'd do potentially lethal damage to his reputation. Race is a touchy subject, discussing it objectively makes people squirm, I find it's best to avoid it if possible... much like debating evolution vs creationism, never get sucked into that, it never ends well...</p>
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Maybe her family is proud of their European roots, and does not appreciate being lumped into a homogeneous, culture-less group like "the whites".
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Okie-dokie. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>I don't see anything wrong with it but then it sounds really awkward like it isn't right. lol</p>
<p>for example: a feminism club will be okay but a masculism club will be awkward. just like that.</p>
<p>It has to do with minority sensitivities i guess.</p>
<p>Morally, I see nothing wrong with the concept of "white pride," if that is all that it is, in the same way that I see nothing wrong with "black pride" or "Asian pride," if that is all that it is. If pride in ones racial heritage is considered perfectly acceptable in our society regarding blacks and Asians, I would think that this acceptance should also be extended to white people. </p>
<p>White pride and white "power" (or white "supremacy") are two different things. The former is simply having a pride in ones racial heritage, while the latter is a movement which promotes the idea that the white race is superior to all other races. My thinking is that one can be a proud white without being a white supremacist in any way, shape or form, just the same as black people or Asian people can be proud of their respective racial heritages without being racial supremacists. </p>
<p>Yet, a white person openly admitting that he is proud to be white remains something that is shocking and repugnant in our society. I actually started a thread expressing my thoughts on this awhile back, in a very logical and respectful manner, and it was deleted by the moderators within five minutes of my posting it.</p>
<p>And I'm not even proud to be white!</p>
<p>It's ridiculous that blacks can make as many clubs as they want but whites can't. It is not racist to be proud that you are white. If blacks or mexicans can be proud, why can't we?</p>
<p>This bickering is going no where</p>
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Morally, I see nothing wrong with the concept of "white pride," if that is all that it is, in the same way that I see nothing wrong with "black pride" or "Asian pride," if that is all that it is. If pride in ones racial heritage is considered perfectly acceptable in our society regarding blacks and Asians, I would think that this acceptance should also be extended to white people.</p>
<p>White pride and white "power" (or white "supremacy") are two different things. The former is simply having a pride in ones racial heritage, while the latter is a movement which promotes the idea that the white race is superior to all other races. My thinking is that one can be a proud white without being a white supremacist in any way, shape or form, just the same as black people or Asian people can be proud of their respective racial heritages without being racial supremacists.
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<p>Of course, nobody should want to deny whites the right of feel proud of themselves. Doing so would be elevating whites to a superhuman status where they possess no need for self-esteem. </p>
<p>But what I think is that the only reason why there is black pride and Asian pride is that in the American perspective, which after all, is a white perspective, all blacks are the same and all Asians are the same. Therefore, these minority groups define themselves on white terms, which is that because their ancestors once came from a certain continent, all their different ethnicities are essentially the same.</p>