<p>Let's start a new thread about this. This was the original reply to the "Downward Spiral" post. It doesn't look to good to Tulane to keep replying to that post!</p>
<p>So I just saw the admission stats for class of 2015 at Class</a> of 2015 Admission Results | InLikeMe
Tulane applications received: 37,751 admitted: 9,376 acceptance rate: 24.8%
The acceptance rate got lower from last year's "application 43,816 accepted 11,384 acceptance rate 26.0%"
Tulane's class size is only going to be 1450-1475, but how are they going to manage the percentage of people that's going to come? What if 3000 out of the 9376 they accepted decide to go? Then what would they do?
Last year, only about 15% of all accepted committed to Tulane. And this year, they are hoping for about 15% again.
Tulane received one of the highest numbers of applications this year, just like last year. And their acceptance rate is still low compared to many prestige schools. But I think the percentage of accepted student committed is way lower than other similar schools. They are accepting more people than many huge state schools!
I guess my point is that when more people get accepted decide to go to Tulane, then they would accept less people, and the acceptance rate would drop to single digit number like most of the ivies this year. By that point, we can definitely call Tulane prestige. But we'll have to work with the school to achieve that goal!</p>
I have no idea and neither do they, but Tulane has a pretty good idea based on history what to expect. You are absolutely right though, if they see a real change from the historical trend, they would have to change strategy as well. I don’t know that I would say they are hoping for 15% as much as they are expecting it. Tulane knows a lot of accepted students are going to end up at the Ivies and schools like WUSTL, Duke, Vandy, etc.</p>
<p>While I admire your optimism, single digit acceptance rates seem unlikely, lol. But that is theoretically what would happen if the yield went up considerably and they maintained their current marketing strategy, which generates a lot of applications.</p>
<p>I do understand what you are saying, but this seems like a good opportunity to point out that, like with an individual, character and prestige are in the actions a university takes, not what numbers it racks up. And when one looks at the way Tulane interacts with New Orleans, the role it continues to play in bringing it back, and the truly innovative academic programs that are arising from these efforts as well as the experience it gives to its students, and add to all of that the success its graduates are finding in the world, especially the extremely high rate of volunteerism after graduating, I think Tulane is already a pretty class act.</p>
<p>President Cowen would probably need a new pair of pants, if you know what I mean. It would be dire if TU’s yield this year was that high. </p>
<p>I think it’s more or less improbable for TU to have a yield rate that high with the way they currently do things. They get too many applications, and obviously, not all of those 38k students have Tulane in their top 3, or even top 10. Some just apply because it’s free, in New Orleans, and is one of those nationally recognizable schools. </p>
<p>For what it’s worth, the class last year overshot by quite a bit, which meant this year’s class was more selective. If this year’s class is bigger than expected, then the cycle will continue. I don’t think that’s necessarily what Tulane is desiring, though. </p>
<p>I think what TU’s has been successfully trying to do is use the free apps to entice those students–who originally were dreaming of Duke, Vandy, wherever–into applying, and then using their large endowment to give away some nice little scholarships, thus making TU a hard option to turn down. </p>
<p>A friend and classmate of mine is actually in this predicament. He received admission into Vandy, Rice, Emory, TU, and LSU, our flagship state university. Tuition would be absolutely outrageous at anywhere but TU and LSU, so it’s a real possibility that a kid accepted into Rice or Vandy will end up at Tulane, and why? Because of their marketing strategy.</p>
<p>With this year being the toughest year in college admissions yet, I wouldn’t be surprised if Tulane expected another high yield considering so many more people are getting turned by the Ivies, “Public Ivies”, and other universities more prestigious than Tulane. For me, it’s my fourth choice, and I originally never thought that I would end up at Tulane but now it’s in my final two.</p>
<p>Let’s see what happens if really over 2000 people commit~
The Facebook group for Tulane class of 2015 is already 749 members, and I bet that’s only a small percentage of people that will actually go!
This year maybe an interesting year for the admissions!</p>
<p>I would actually hope it’s not the majority, since out of the 749 on Facebook, I think over 70% are from NY, NJ! I think Tulane would want more diversity than that!</p>
<p>Meg was not rejected, she was waitlisted. And frankly, you have no idea what you are talking about. Anyone that has followed Tulane as closely over the last few years as many of us have on here knows that they don’t play the yield management game for the sake of percentages. They do, like every school out there, only have so much space and have to manage that.</p>
<p>With Tulane having higher stat students every year, and more importantly having students highly committed to service, learning, and general excellence I don’t find the yield statistic meaningful or embarrassing. What counts is the result, and Tulane has incredible results that get better every year.</p>
<p>Agreed! The acceptance rate is getting lower every year, which means Tulane is getting more selective. Although only 15-20% of accepted actually go, they will still have a fairly good group of students.</p>
<p>I’m going to check out tulane this coming week, staying in New Orleans for 2days/2nights, 18th-20th, I think I’ll make my decision while touring Tulane!</p>
<p>Again, as in the other thread, you need to learn to disagree without insulting people.* More to the point, if you want to convince anyone remotely impartial, you need to learn to reference actual facts (like Tulane’s 15% yield) instead of a string of unsubstantiated opinions.</p>
<p>Saying you don’t know what you are talking about is a fact, not an insult. Also, I wasn’t aware that saying something is “embarrassing”, as you did, was a fact and not an opinion. You also misstated the “facts” about Meg’s status, which is a fact as well. In addition, I didn’t disagree with the fact that Tulane has a 15% yield, just your interpretation of it. Interpretation are not facts, but I did support my interpretation with facts such as Tulane having higher stat students than in the days when they had higher yields, having students more committed to service (one of the highest rates in the country for graduates that go on to the Peace Corps and Americacorps), and the fact that they only have so much space. These things can be found easily, it is not common to cite references on CC although I could. I didn’t see you doing it. I also could have added that despite a 15% yield they had 130 students, or about 10% over-enrollment for the current freshman class. Thank goodness the yield wasn’t higher, there would have been nowhere to put the students. I would say that is fairly excellent support of my contention that yield is meaningless as a measure of quality in Tulane’s case. You are free to disagree.</p>
<p>One of the problems might be that I figure you have been reading most of the other posts and threads on here for at least a little while, where these things have been discussed. Perhaps that was wrong of me, but I don’t think it is wrong for me to expect you to have a fairly full set of contextual and pertinent facts known to you beyond just citing a yield number. In fact the low yield is planned for and is part and parcel of how Tulane goes about their admissions strategy and tactics. I have explained this in detail a few times previously, and it is too long for me to repeat now and I don’t care to find the previous posts where I did it. That is your responsibility to have your facts straight, and coming to correct conclusions often means more than having one superficial number. The key is to understand the number, at least in this case.</p>
<p>The simple fact is that engaging in personal attacks shows the weakness of your position, as well as a lack of maturity. In thread after thread, you insult anyone who dares to cite actual facts regarding Tulane or its admissions shenanigans, unless you happen to agree with what they’re saying. Mentioning things like Americorps is just a silly and irrelevant distraction. If thousands of posts and millions of words would make your case, it would have been made by now though. Anyway, enjoy your campaign, I’m sure you think you’re helping Tulane. To disinterested observers, it’s not so clear.</p>
<p>The simple (and relevant) facts are that Tulane’s 15% yield is embarrassingly low because it gives away the show about their attempts to game the rankings systems. They sent free apps to nearly every high school student in the country, then reject the most qualified (as we’ve seen) in hopes that their admissions stats would look impressive. I doubt anyone is really fooled by this–clearly they didn’t fool the rankings! And then they’re left with the fact that hardly anyone they do accept actually wants to attend. The facts speak for themselves, and no amount of irrelevant propaganda or boosterism will effectively contradict that.</p>
<p>Well, that was convincing. Other than the 15% number, I am not sure one other fact you have cited. You have opinions like shenanigans, and that public service is a silly and irrelevant distraction, but I see no other facts. You don’t seem particularly disinterested either. You are also incorrect that I have not been persuaded by people that disagree with me. Yet another misstatement. It is true I find your argument entirely unpersuasive.</p>
<p>Your post #16 is incorrect in its entirety. Yield is not part of the rankings, and admission percent is only 1% of it, not enough to “game” it at all. And it is impossible that they are rejecting the most qualified, since their average stats are so high. Tulane has numerous students with 2300+ SAT’s and 3.9-4.0 GPA’s, and these threads are full of students who talk about turning down top 20 ranked schools to attend Tulane. Now the only things embarrassing are your misstatements and obvious hatred of Tulane.</p>
<p>I was actually between some other schools, but after going to destination Tulane and New Orleans for the first time I have decided to attend Tulane. I honestly think you’d be crazy not too, there is going to be so much going on in New Orleans in the next four years. Besides that its an amazingly unique place. The only direction I think Tulane is going is up, dont be blinded by US news rankings, a huge percent of it seems to be based on retention rates which have been effected by katrina. Im am so excited to be living the dream in New Orleans next year, and I will be laughing at those 85% who foolishly decided not to attend.</p>
<p>Hearsay? Too funny. If we don’t generally take people at their word on CC, there would be almost no discussion. Besides, then Meg’s statements are equally doubtful and you should never have defended her. What possible motivation does someone have to come on here anonymously and say they got accepted to Chicago or Stanford or wherever but decided to go to Tulane? My contention in that regard is not entirely from here though. We know for a fact that Tulane has 2 of the 115 academic winners of the Department of Education Presidential Award winners, where only 2 per state and a few others win. Pretty high stats there. Many of the higher ranked schools, most in fact, have one or none. Also the DHS winners have very high stats, and there are 75 of those. So no, not entirely based on people posting here.</p>
<p>You are not “letting me” do anything, you just cannot cite any facts yourself, other than 15% yield and a free app. We don’t even disagree about the 15% fact, just what it means. Since Tulane has gotten better classes while the yield has dropped, I am indeed having a hard time correlating that number with embarrassment.</p>
<p>Nearly every college in the country shows stronger stats on recent entering classes, due to grade inflation, test prep, and–most importantly–larger student cohorts.* It’s harder to get into good colleges than in previous decades! * This is why relative measures have become a focus for most people when comparing colleges.* </p>
<p>And this is so basic that either 1) you don’t know it, in which case you don’t know the first thing about college admissions or 2) you’re hoping no one else knows, in which case you’re breathtakingly cynical.*</p>
<p>Either way, you have no business correcting anyone much less insulting them.* That you think insulting people makes you or Tulane look better speaks volumes.* Billy and I defended Meg simply because your snide remarks to her were so personal and so unseemly.* But it’s clear that you’ll do whatever you think you have to.* Have fun.</p>