<p>In order, IMO</p>
<p>Michigan
Stanford
Virginia
Vanderbilt
North Carolina
Wisconsin
UCLA
USC
Texas
Duke</p>
<p>I think Texas’s somewhat lower academic standards and Duke’s terrible surrounding area hurt them. If Vandy’s or UVA’s sports were better they could overtake Stanford. Michigan seems the clear-cut #1 to me, though.</p>
<p>“Texas’s somewhat lower academic standards”</p>
<p>What are you talking about?</p>
<p>I love the rationalizations people come up with to justify the ranking of their alma mater/current school higher up in their rather subjective rankings.</p>
<p>I don’t see how Michigan would be the most complete.</p>
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<p>It does, but at the same time it doesn’t. So many tickets are bought by season ticket holders, and in a program like Michigan’s, I’m sure that there’s a long waiting list for season tickets. People renew their tickets, therefore every game is sold out.</p>
<p>^There are still over 110,000 people at every game. It doesn’t matter how they got tickets, although Michigan does do a good job at making a lot of single game tickets available, it just matters that they support the school and program enough to show up in Ann Arbor every Saturday, and show up they do.</p>
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<p>“if” being the key word. There are commuter trains!</p>
<p>And MANY Stanford kids have cars. It’s a 20 minute drive into the city. That’s pretty reasonable.</p>
<p>Palo Alto is a nice town with a very active Downtown area. Just because it’s not SF doesn’t mean there isn’t anything to do. I spent much of my time growing up in the area and I miss it quite a bit.</p>
<p>50% acceptance rate at Michigan hahahahhahahahahah Is it like a coin flip?</p>
<p>Please keep in mind that besides the cold, harsh winter conditions of Michigan, that region is also located in the tornado zone. Overall weather wise, California has better year-round conditions. People have the options of choosing to live in milder temperature closer to the beach, or up in higher elevation closer to the mountains for the snow and colder temperature. We can hit the beach to surf and up the mountain to ski the same day. This is why California has seasons.</p>
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“D3 schools have netter financial aid? True or not, who cares? This is best overall university. I could get a full ride to Toledo but I’d still never consider it.”</p>
<p>I’m referring to schools with similar academic standards of the student body. The average HS GPA of freshmen for Chapman or Michigan is in the range of 3.7-3.8 compared to Toledo of 3.1, a bit of a difference. If I have a choice of paying full price to go to Michigan or go to Chapman with a scholarship, I’d go to Chapman; a private school. It makes no sense to me in paying more to attend a public school to bankrupt my self for the purpose of watching D1 games.</p>
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“So you basically said, you have a better chance of playing, if you try out for a worse team… really!”</p>
<p>I meant the student-athletes such as football players would have more playing time in a D3 than a D1 because it’s less impacted. Some of the D3 schools have some very talented athletes, they could play in a D1 school, but would rather have more playing time in a D3 instead of sitting on the sideline in an impacted D1. I’ve heard of athletes in D3 sports training for the Olympics as well.</p>
<p>This is hands down no contest. Dunno how you can even put Michigan with Texas.</p>
<p>I got into Texas but not Mccombs, so went to IU (loved it, but the weather sucked)</p>
<p>The greek life in Texas is very solid, comparable to the SEC schools and of the top in the nation. While the IFC is one of the best and most competitive, Austin has the biggest chapters of minority fraternities I have ever seen (from my friends facebook pictures).</p>
<p>[YouTube</a> - Texas Sig Ep Safari, Spring 2006](<a href=“Texas Sig Ep Safari, Spring 2006 - YouTube”>Texas Sig Ep Safari, Spring 2006 - YouTube) <– Impressive even if you hate Greek life.</p>
<p>For those who don’t want any part of Greek Life, you have the very liberal laws of Austin, which allows those under 21 to get into the bars, allowing you to “pregame hard” and enjoy the nightlife without Greeks / shady house parties.</p>
<p>Then you have the academics, and Texas is just damn stellar, especially its business school. Real competitive, but the schools are so big that you just meet a wide diverse amount of people.</p>
<p>Finally, you got the sports. Football season in Texas is absolutely insane, and their other sports arent lacking either. Where else do you see ESPN making a whole TV CHANNEL dedicated to longhorn sports (not kidding launching this summer).</p>
<p>Austin has the perfect mix of liberals and conservatives (due to Austin being overly liberal and rest of the texas being overly conservative).</p>
<p>And of course the weather in Austin absolutely takes a dump on Michigan, and for a student living for 4 years in a city, the weather means a lot on whether you want to go out and enjoy life.</p>
<p>In Summary:</p>
<p>Greek Life: UT>Michigan (and if anyone mentions numbers, its quality over quantity, you gotta go down and experience it yourselves)
“GDI” NightLife: UT>Michigan (under 21 you can get in to the bars)
Academics: Tie, slight edge Michigan
Weather: UT>Michigan
Athletics: Tie
Cost: Slight edge Texas </p>
<p>No other school comes close to Texas and Michigan though. No one.</p>
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<p>Self-selectivity is different than selectivity; a couple of years ago Chicago had >50% acceptance rate. This year it’s 15%. The avg. unweighted hs gpa for all of Mich. - nursing / kinesiology / art school included - was a 3.8 last year (and I know for Engineering it was a 3.9); with the switch to the common app this year - in the same way Chicago switched a few years back - the acceptance rate has dropped dramatically.</p>
<p>Stanford!!!</p>
<p>Lonesoul, the acceptance rate is rapidly dropping even after only one year on the common app. This is the reason some schools mentioned have lower accoetance rates. Its also harder to get in as an OOS student. Either way, I don’t think acceptance rate is the best judge of all around university. I think you are just running out of stupid ir cheap shots.</p>
<p>OCELITE! YOU DIDN’T RESPOND TO EVERY POINT I MADE. THEREFORE PROVING ME RIGHT. CHAPMAN WINS! </p>
<p>…oh wait… wrong person.</p>
<p>Rabbit season</p>
<p>Michigan is in the tornado zone, yes. So is mist of the Midwest. Texas is much worse than us. But still… I can see you arguing cold. I can see you arguing blizzards with your little delusional California mind. But tornados? Ok, I don’t like Chamlpman because of all the wildfires, earthquakes, and Austrian bodybuilding governors. </p>
<p>And now your down to using the high school GPA of incoming freshman to show Chapman is on Michigan level… you know his crazy that sounds right?</p>
<p>Yes… the only reason people go to D1 schools is the football games. Sure, they are lightyears ahead of anything a D3 school could offer but that’s nit the point. I can get my education at Chapman just the same. Sure there’s no engineering program, meaning i’ll need to go to two schools. And sure most people won’t know where my university is. And sure i’ll be exposed to less recruitment opportunities. And sure i’ll have less social and educational opportunities. But, i’ll still get a degree!</p>
<p>Yes, I’m sure D3 athletes are great. But don’t you think mist of them would kill for a chance to play D3, get on TV, become nationally noticed, and maybe go pro? </p>
<p>And D3 athletes training fir the Olympics. Kinda like… Micheal Phelps … oh yeah, I went there.</p>
<p>I also noticed on your Chapman Main page is that their top story is an alum became Miss California. Cute. Talk to me when an alum wins Miss America.</p>
<p>OH SNAP!</p>
<p>damitssam, Greek life? Really? A bunch if frats with drunk dudes inside shouldn’t sway anyone. </p>
<p>And you have to give Stanford love man. Just Texas and Michigan sounds ignorant.</p>
<p>At least say Texas, Michigan and Stanford.</p>
<p>Or better yet Michigan and Stanford.</p>
<p>If I put my name on an application do I have a chance of getting in? It would be a yes or no right? 50/50? So if 2 people apply, one of them will get in correct? I mean, until the rates drops that is, the kid with a missing chromosome has a chance right? <em>Ahem</em> like Purpleduckman</p>
<p>PurpleDuckMan, I think I already made my point a long time ago. Perhaps your overly obsessed with Michigan that you failed to notice there are a lot of excellent institutions in the D3 in addition to Chapman such as Caltech, Johns Hopkins, CMU, Chicago, Colby, Case Western, etc., to name a few. </p>
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“So Chapman gets on TV, and that makes the local news. Not exactly to best selling point for D3 athletics, ya think?”</p>
<p>FYI - That was not a local news. It was a national news. They showed all of the NCAA divisions and was televised across the country on CBS. Otherwise, all of the schools in the other part of the country wouldn’t have been able to see theirs. It is also online.</p>
<p>[CBS</a> Sports to air NCAA spring championships show June 19 - NCAA.org](<a href=“http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Resources/Latest+News/2011/June/CBS+Sports+to+air+NCAA+spring+championships+show+June+19]CBS”>http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Resources/Latest+News/2011/June/CBS+Sports+to+air+NCAA+spring+championships+show+June+19)</p>
<p>[CBS</a> Sports to Air NCAA Spring Championships Show June 19 - NCAA.org](<a href=“http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/ncaahome?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/ncaa/NCAA/Media+and+Events/Press+Room/News+Release+Archive/2011/Championships/20110616+CBS+Spring+Champs+Show+Rls]CBS”>http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/ncaahome?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/ncaa/NCAA/Media+and+Events/Press+Room/News+Release+Archive/2011/Championships/20110616+CBS+Spring+Champs+Show+Rls)
[NCAA.com</a> ? The Official Website of NCAA Championships](<a href=“http://www.ncaa.com/]NCAA.com”>http://www.ncaa.com/)</p>
<p>[2010-2011</a> NCAA National Champions - NCAA.com](<a href=“http://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/2011-06-21/2010-2011-ncaa-national-champions]2010-2011”>http://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/2011-06-21/2010-2011-ncaa-national-champions)</p>
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“YOU DIDN’T RESPOND TO EVERY POINT I MADE. THEREFORE PROVING ME RIGHT. CHAPMAN WINS”!</p>
<p>I don’t need to prove every point. LOL.</p>
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“Michigan is in the tornado zone, yes. So is mist of the Midwest. Texas is much worse than us. But still… I can see you arguing cold. I can see you arguing blizzards with your little delusional California mind. But tornados? Ok, I don’t like Chamlpman because of all the wildfires, earthquakes, and dumbass Austrian bodybuilding governors.”</p>
<p>As I had said on an earlier post, schools in that region, Midwest, along with other parts of the country, including the South/Southeast states would be eliminated based on bad weather including tornadoes. As you had said, you wouldn’t want to be killed by a tornado. HAHA.</p>
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“And now your down to using the high school GPA of incoming freshman to show Chapman is on Michigan level… you know his crazy that sounds right?”</p>
<p>I used that as an example because you’ve used Toledo for scholarship comparison. Michigan and Toledo are public schools, while Chapman, Caltech, USC, and Stanford are private schools. I need not to tell you that there are more private schools ranked higher in USNWR.</p>
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“I can get my education at Chapman just the same. Sure there’s no engineering program, meaning i’ll need to go to two schools. And sure most people won’t know where my university is. And sure i’ll be exposed to less recruitment opportunities. And sure i’ll have less social and educational opportunities. But, i’ll still get a degree!”</p>
<p>As I had said on an earlier post, just because you haven’t heard of Chapman, it doesn’t mean someone else hasn’t. And just because you’ve heard of Michigan, it doesn’t mean someone from China or another part of the world have heard of it either. LOL.</p>
<p>Chapman does not have petroleum engineering, but University of Alaska does. Should we all move to Alaska? It’s nice and cold there. As some of the other posters had already suggested Stanford and USC for petroleum engineering. I think both of these schools are excellent, and they’re located in California with better weather than Michigan.</p>
<p>If the OP is looking for a business degree with nice weather and nice location, then obviously there are a few more choices in California, and Chapman happens to have a great business school and with nice weather and nice location. Chapman also has a very strong Greek Life and plenty of educational and recruitment opportunities with world class faculties that are on a more personal level where the professors know the student by name, not just another number. A smaller school has its benefits just like Caltech which is even smaller than Chapman, so to speak.</p>
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" Yes, I’m sure D3 athletes are great. They could kick my ass. But don’t you think mist of them would kill for a chance to play D3, get on TV, become nationally noticed, and maybe go pro?"</p>
<p>As I had said before, unless the OP wants a career goal in sport, why would it matter if it’s D1 or D3 or on TV or not? Do you think the engineering students from Caltech care more about D1 or D3? LOL.</p>
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" I also noticed on your Chapman Main page is that their top story is an alum became Miss California. Cute. Talk to me when an alum wins Miss America."</p>
<p>This is a recent event and very exciting news indeed. Congrats to our new Miss California! Well…I think Miss California validated my point, D3 or D1 won’t matter, because she’ll be on national TV, just as the baseball team did for making it to the Championship and was featured nationally on TV. HAHA.</p>
<p>“As I had said on an earlier post, schools in that region, Midwest, along with other parts of the country, including the South/Southeast states would be eliminated based on bad weather including tornadoes. As you had said, you wouldn’t want to be killed by a tornado. HAHA.”</p>
<p>This is getting really weird lol.</p>
<p>^hey now, as long as I have a DROID X, 3G access, and OCELITE keeps responding then so will I.</p>
<p>OCELITE, if you go to a school outside of Cali, you won’t be killed by a tornado. </p>
<p>Also, Ann Arbor doesn’t really get blizzards. It’s not in the nest position for lake effect snow.</p>
<p>The Miss Cali thing was a joke… I don’t actually care. She could have been tailor trash without a GED that doesn’t mean a thing. </p>
<p>…and Michigan has a Miss America… BOOM!</p>
<p>Why Alaska again? Because it has petroleum? ok… have fun. Unless you actually believe Alaskas weather is the same as Ann Arbor. You California is shoeing again…</p>
<p>And the OP wants engineering. So…</p>
<p>I don’t know how I’m gonna convince you but watching Chapman play football will never be a tenth as exciting as Michigan football. And this does matter if the student cares about sports, and the OP said it was what n his criteria.</p>
<p>Duck Season</p>
<p>Doesn’t Cali have things like earthquakes and wildfires?</p>
<p>Earthquakes are rare and about a 3.0, it’s the same feeling when a truck passes by. </p>
<p>Applying and getting accepted are two different things. 50% is more than double 24%. And California’s population is 4x that of Michigan. Yes, more ■■■■■■■ apply, but only 1/4 get admitted, while 50% get admitted at Mich, which also means a bigger student body, 42k vs 35k</p>
<p>This is off topic but if you get a bba in general business why can’t you just continue where you left off in a general mba and have a good all around business education?</p>