<p>So UMich has come out with some specific admissions data for the Class of 2017</p>
<p>About</a> Our Applicants | University of Michigan Office of Admissions</p>
<p>But what do you think the out of state acceptance rate is? I know there are many more out of state applications than in state but the yield for out of state is much lower (about 25% last year) than the in state yield (about 65%).</p>
<p>Well it must have been pretty easy to get in from Wyoming this year considering there’s just one current UM student from the state according to that. They like the students from all 50 states figure.</p>
<p>The class size continues to be too large. The administration has talked for years about a class in the 5000’s but it has never happened. Dorms and classrooms are impacted.</p>
<p>If the class size was reduced to 5000, the acceptance rate could hit the low 20s in a couple years (Berkeley and UCLA levels).</p>
<p>OOS acceptance rate from what I believe I saw or read was about 20%, but I could be off on that- Alexandre is the one who knows it all about UM- I’d bet he has more definitive info.</p>
<p>Actually, when I attended, it was pretty common to convert lounge spaces in dorms into triple rooms. LSA students were diverted to North Campus due to lack of dorm space. That is the definition of overcrowding. Having too large an entering class also means you might not get the classes you want. </p>
<p>I think for the price one pays for a Michigan education, it should be a world-class experience. Michigan also needs to be competitive with its perceived peers, which I would presume include Berkeley and UCLA and many private institutions. A class size that is too big doesn’t cut it.</p>
<p>The articles below indicate the class size was 5400 as recently as 2006 and now only freshman are guaranteed housing at the expense of everyone else. It’s not an issue I’ve only thought of.</p>
<p>[Housing</a> crunch forces hundreds of University of Michigan students off campus](<a href=“http://www.annarbor.com/news/housing-shortage-forces-hundreds-of-university-of-michigan-students-off-campus/]Housing”>Housing crunch forces hundreds of University of Michigan students off campus)</p>
<p>[University</a> of Michigan wants to enroll fewer students next year](<a href=“http://www.annarbor.com/news/university-of-michigan-wants-to-fewer-students-next-year/]University”>University of Michigan wants to enroll fewer students next year)</p>
<p>The GPA went up 0.02, the ACT mid 50 did not change while SAT up ~70. The overall acceptance rate drop from 37% to 33%. A nice upward trend for the school, bad for applicants. Note that they have lowered the acceptance rate but the yield keep the enrollment up.</p>
<p>So that’s about a 33.3% admit rate and a 39.3% yield. Definitely becoming more selective all the time. The number of applications continues to grow, so by next year i’d expect the admit rate to be around 30%, if not slightly lower.</p>
<p>I actually think the admit rate does matter, because a lower admit rate will attract more top students, especially more top OOS students, which will make Michigan a stronger university to the benefit of everyone who attends. And that’s a good thing.</p>
<p>The freshman class is too big only if there are overcrowding issues. At 6100 students, the 2013 freshman class is a little over 1% smaller than in 2012, and just over 6% smaller than the record freshman class of 6,496 in 2010. So it looks like they’re trying to shrink it gradually, which is probably sensible because if you start losing thousands of tuitions at a time it’s going to create a huge budget hole.</p>
<p>I would say it’s around 25%</p>
<p>Last year they were missing that “one” from Wyoming…but gosh darn it’s still a popular school for kids in New York state and New Jersey.</p>
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<p>Complete and utter BS. </p>
<p>I’m a loyal Michigan alum, LS&A '74. I’ve followed the school closely ever since. I root for its sports teams because they’re my sports teams. I read the alumni magazine because it’s aimed at me, and because it gives me information about the university’s new ventures, its evolution, the exciting contributions to new knowledge being created by its faculty. I take pride in its successes. I contribute what I can to keep it going and to help it grow, partly out of gratitude for all it gave me (including the opportunity to earn advanced degrees at two Ivy league institutions, each the very top program in its field, on the strength of my Michigan credentials) and partly because I believe in the institution and in what it can give to others. I want to see it be stronger and more successful in every way. I don’t “obsess” over admit rates and yields, but I take note with satisfaction that the university is drawing more applicants and becoming more selective every year, and I take pride in the recognition and respect that it is earning. In all those respects I am no different from any of my professional colleagues who take a similar pride in their own alma maters. That’s “real life.”</p>
<p>And if the university is to continue to grow stronger and more successful, it’s going to need the support of people like me, and thousands and tens of thousands like me, who are not currently faculty there, and who are not parents of this year’s freshmen, but who are loyal alumni and friends, invested in the university and its success. The Michigan community is not, and never has been, just its current students and faculty. Alums, and not just alums but friends and supporters in the broader community, are critical pieces. And if you don’t understand that, and if you continue to belittle the university and those who care about it, then you are its blood enemy.</p>
<p>“The GPA went up 0.02, the ACT mid 50 did not change while SAT up ~70. The overall acceptance rate drop from 37% to 33%. A nice upward trend for the school, bad for applicants.”</p>
<p>Billcsho, I do not think that the SAT range increased by 70 points. You are comparing last year’s SAT range for enrolled students to this year’s SAT range for admitted students. I think the mid 50% SAT range will be 1280-1480 this year, which is a 20 point increase over last year. The mid 50% ACT range could well be in the 29-33 range, which is equal to Brown and Cornell.</p>
<p>“Note that they have lowered the acceptance rate but the yield keep the enrollment up.”</p>
<p>That is not unusual. As a university becomes more selective in the eyes of high school students, it also becomes more appealing. As a university’s acceptance rate drops, the yield rate usually rises. Chicago’s yield rate was around 30% back when its acceptance rate was 40%. This year, when its acceptance rate was under 10%, its yield almost hit 50%. </p>
<p>Michigan acceptance rate will drop to 25% for sure in the next 2-3 years. It could drop even lower (15% or lower) if the University met 100% of OOS financial need. Michigan has all that it needs. Unlimited resources, prestige, academic prowess in virtually all fields of study, a great campus culture, lots of school spirit, very active alums, amazing professional and graduate school prospects etc…it was only a matter of time.</p>
<p>More OOS students = more qualified students. </p>
<p>Go with a 50/50 split</p>
<p>@ Alexandre
I miscalculated the change. It is a 40 points increase for the 25%. These data are from the admission stat posted at umich’s website and application information package. The SAT mid 50 for 2012 admission was 1990-2230 and for 2013 is 2030-2250. They don’t use 1600 scale in their stat. You can see the 2013 numbers from the link on the OP. Their mid 50 ACT is 29-33 for both 2012 and 2013.
As for the acceptance rate and yield rate changes, I think it is more logical that the higher yield rate from previous year leading to a lower acceptance rate this year. If the yield remains high (and it seems to be), the acceptance rate would even be lower next year to keep the class size within target range. The yield rate of 2013 is similar to 2012. It seems their target is around 6000 which is pushing the limit of the campus.</p>
<p>As a Michigan alum and now faculty member, I only like to see the numbers maintained. Michigan is first and foremost a large public institution to educate the state of Michigan’s best & brightest. If you alums want acceptance rates, SAT scores and GPAs that resemble super selective Ivy league schools, then you should have gone to a selective Ivy league school. The University’s purpose has never been to only serve the top socio economic class. I find it disturbing that so many graduates, that took advantage of and should be thankful for looser admissions standards, now want the bar raised exponentially higher than it was when they applied to the University.</p>
<p>i’m somewhat suspicious that you are who you say you are…</p>
<p>Professor07, I disagree with your negative outlook.</p>
<p>If I were an in-state student who is smart and talented, I would be happy to hear that it is more competitive to get into UofM. The lower the acceptance rate, the smarter the students. The smarter the students, the better the educational experience/school is. The better the school is, the more value I get as an in-state student who’s paying half price for an increasingly prestigious degree.</p>
<p>A lower acceptance rate can only have a negative impact on the students who no longer meet the standards to get in. But for its current students, alums and the smart Ivy-Caliber in-staters who can’t afford a private school, this is positive news. Tougher admission standards means more prestige, which will always help anyone carrying a Michigan Degree.</p>
<p>SoccerWolfP, I do not necessarily agree that the lower the acceptance rate, the smarter the students…and I do not think it is true that the smarter the students, the better the educational experience/school. I do, however, agree that on CC, among the predominantly teenage crowd, those assumptions are commonplace and blown way out of proportion. Michigan’s acceptance rate will change significantly over the years, from over 50% 4 years ago to under 25% in 2-3 years. Ultimately, if Michigan can manage to provide better FA to OOS students, I could see Michigan’s acceptance rate drop to 15% or lower. </p>
<p>However, the quality of the student body will not change much. In terms of GPA, class rank etc…, Michigan was already among the most selective. In terms of ACT/SAT, Michigan’s ranges will only increase slightly; from 27-31 on the ACT 4 years ago to 29-33 or 30-34 at best in 2-3 years and from 1230-1430 on the SAT 4 years ago to 1320-1520 or 1330-1540 at best in 2-3 years. The difference is negligible. Michigan students were always qualified academically.</p>
<p>That’s correct nubswithstubs. Professor07 had at least 4 different identities (LakeForest13, BlueURM, CC48009, darkomi). I have not ascertained his motives, but he is clearly very bitter about Michigan and its students/alums. I have banned four of his identities permanently and banned the fifth for one month. </p>
<p>It is disturbing how many posters like this guy pop up on the Michigan forum. This has been going on for years. LesDiablesBleus/Goldenboy from Duke, and now this guy to name a few. I am going to be a lot stricter going forward. Any trolling ill be deleted and the poster banned from the Michigan forum. I do not mind constructive criticism, but I will not tolerate insults from insecure posters.</p>
<p>“Michigan is first and foremost a large public institution to educate the state of Michigan’s best & brightest.”</p>
<p>That viewpoint is somewhat out of date. U of M’s obligation to educate the state’s students has declined over the years, as their fundng from the state has been reduced. It is now only 17% of the general fund. The remainder is funded by Tuition (70%) and other revenue (13%).</p>
<p>The percentage of in-state student did decrease, but the main factor is the decreasing population of Michigan. There are less and less high school graduates from Michigan that forced the Michigan colleges to look outside of Michigan for students. It is a more or less state wide phenomenon.
[Michigan</a> colleges go out of state for students | Detroit Free Press | freep.com](<a href=“http://www.freep.com/article/20120625/NEWS06/206250325/Michigan-colleges-go-out-of-state-for-students]Michigan”>http://www.freep.com/article/20120625/NEWS06/206250325/Michigan-colleges-go-out-of-state-for-students)</p>