<p>OP, the CAS acceptance rate is like 13% overall. RD is close to 10-11% or so.</p>
<p>Shouldn’t you worry about whether or not we are second or third tier AFTER you get in? And why would we be below Brown, Duke, and Penn CAS? All of which are great schools, but why would you think them above us?</p>
<p>Chicago is more rigorous in general. It doesn’t have more resources.</p>
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<p>You can’t really compare the engineering body and Harvard in that sense because admissions work differently in both cases. I.e you can be in the top 5% of your class, have excellent SAT scores including perfect or near perfect in math, average essays, average ECS (math and science focused) and still get into the college of engineering while that profile most likely will not get you into Harvard.</p>
<p>“I appreciate my CC peers for clarifying Cornell’s status as second-tier university. But, do people really consider Cornell is on par with UPenn (CAS), Brown, Duke, UChicago, or Johns Hopkins?”</p>
<p>What in the world? you do realize all the schools in the top 20 are top tier right? And yes, people actually do consider that (Shocking!)</p>
<p>Considering most CC users on this thread agree that the difference (I will not reiterate what involves in this ‘difference’) between HYPSM and Cornell is not very significant, I assume Cornell is definitely a peer-institution with the above universities.</p>
<p>“But, Why? why do I see a dozen of CC threads claiming any intellectual students knowing what Ivy-league means will choose Duke over Cornell? and why do I see a random website demonstrating how UPenn or Brown undergraduates proudly reveal the colleges they attend with the real names of their respective colleges, whereas Cornell undergraduates mostly resorts to ivy-league title?”</p>
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<li>You know who says that? Duke students. Also, yeah it is really wrong to choose Cornell just because of its ivy league title. The ivy league is simply a football league.<br></li>
<li>Never have I or anybody else I know of in Cornell ever do anything of the sort. That kind of demeaning behavior is only seen on shows like the office - on which someone mentioned the pretentious failure Andy Bernard was pretty much a shot at Cornell and in no way a stereotypical Cornell student. Contrast him to Mitchell Pritchett, the successful Cornell grad from modern family. Oh wait, nobody has heard of him before? That’s probably because it’s harder to make fun of him.</li>
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<p>“I’m getting very sick of this pattern manifested over and over again in numerous CC threads and a bunch other community websites. And it seems that people do not even consider Cornell to be placed in the same level as the second-tier universities. I remember a current Cornell student started a thread named “are people out of mind?” reassuring Cornell’s indeed on par with the schools right below HYPSM. This apparently proves my point that many people nowadays consider Cornell to be inferior to the second-tier schools, and I do not quite fully understand.”</p>
<p>The people you are talking about are the figments of your imagination and ccers with life/ego problems who clearly lack in the department of achievement. When you graduate, what matters are your achievements and your connections - and Cornell will take you just as far as its peers (EVEN HYPSM) if you are accomplished to the same degree, with the possible exclusion of the exclusive networks that i mentioned HYP have. The difference is that it may be easier to get those opportunities in those 5 colleges than Cornell and they may have a higher concentration of nobel level professors, but Cornell doesn’t lose in any of these departments to its other ivy peers. This is me being REALISTIC.</p>
<p>I don’t know what you expected. When people ask an inflammatory question like that (LIKE THIS THREAD), people respond negatively. It’s simple as that. Honestly, the thread topic was already a bit irksome because of how you threw a fit over such a small detail, but now it’s just obvious that you’re asking for a reaction and you’ve got one. There is seriously nothing to speculate on.</p>
<p>Actually the more you post, the more it seems to be obvious that you are the same ■■■■■ we’ve had for years. It doesn’t help that your first thread is so inflammatory (THIS THREAD) and that you’ve recently signed up and claim knowledge of old posts that the exact ■■■■■ i mentioned made. I’ve also noticed that you use the same type of roundabout reasoning that they did - these past trolls that pop up every 2 months or so, disappear, and make new accounts to post the EXACT SAME CONTENT like you are doing now. Perhaps the most indicative evidence is that you cherrypick what to read in this thread/forum and raise the same points over and over again. You’re not looking for an answer, you’re looking for a fight. The first 2-3 pages would have been enough to convince ANYONE who’s actually curious in the question they posted. But now, you’ve gone completely off on a tangent from your thread topic due to your effort to attack Cornell. You’ve shown your true colors, ■■■■■.</p>
<p>^ I agree with that overall I’d expect the students to be weaker in Cornell - but I do know several luminaries of that level in my class. Maybe I’m “fortunate” or you’re unfortunate.</p>
<p>You do know that (I’m pretty sure) the majority of Cornell students didn’t exactly choose Cornell as their first choice. Making the best out of your situation =/= thinking this is the best place you’d ever go to.</p>
<p>Come on guys, not okay to be mean to potential prefrosh</p>
<p>“You do know that (I’m pretty sure) the majority of Cornell students didn’t exactly choose Cornell as their first choice. Making the best out of your situation =/= thinking this is the best place you’d ever go to”</p>
<p>I don’t think anyone is saying that or otherwise… how does this correspond to any other post. Nobody said anything like that on this thread.</p>
<p>However, since you went there, according to this <a href=“http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000001.pdf#zoom=100[/url]”>http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000001.pdf#zoom=100</a>, more than 35% of the enrolling class of 2016 chose Cornell as their first choice, though nobody is hinting or saying that “this is the best place you’d ever go to”. Those two aren’t the same thing.</p>
<p>^NYProspect made a comment before about “why I chose Cornell when I’m not happy here…did you apply to Harvard, etc.”, so Lollerpants responded with that comment.</p>
<p>But it seems the comments have been deleted by a mod.</p>
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<p>Yep, Cornellian’s should really hang their heads low. Cornell is only first in architecture, top ten in engineering, top ten in physics, top ten in undergrad business, first in veterinary medicine, top ten in creative writing, and it’s in the upper echelon in physical sciences across the board. Cornell is also excellent in a huge list of further studies/majors – arguably holding the most diverse high caliber course availability in the Ivy League. All this along with a fantastic college town, and an extremely gorgeous campus. Nevertheless, hang your heads low Cornellians, because the all-knowing “Lollerpants” has ■■■■■■■.</p>
<p>I didn’t get into my first choice for graduate school, but loved where I went, met my wife there, & things couldn’t have turned out better for me. My guess is that only a fraction of the 65% of the Cornell students who did not have Cornell as their #1 choice, regret enrolling by the end of their freshman year. Of those that do, the majority of them would be unhappy even if at their #1 choice. In college selection you can’t go wrong if you adhere to a philosophy of “Things turn out the best for those who make the best of the way things turn out”.</p>
<p>I was responding to NYProspect who had his/her posting deleted. In any case though all I’m saying is that you should make the best of the situation but you should also realize that Cornell ISN’T the best at everything it does. But thank you for regurgitating all these statistics that all inferiority-complex driven Cornell students know off the top of their heads.</p>
<p>I am in no way trolling, I’m just keeping it real. Realizing what your school is good at and isn’t the strongest in is just keeping yourself grounded and realistic in your expectations of what you want to get out of your college experience. I never said you will/should REGERT coming to Cornell, but everyone misconstrues any objective statement on how Cornell is viewed into something negative or ■■■■■.</p>
<p>I didn’t say you were a ■■■■■. I was referring to the OP. You realize you were insulting me for the exactly same things that you said - but notice I also qualified everything that I said because I am not clouded by the fact that I attend Cornell and I like the school.</p>
<p>As for the statistics, this is the one that is ALWAYS brought up on these forums in a controversial topic and since I’ve been here for a while, it’s pretty natural for me to know this one about my own school - and remember this is something i brought up because you were the one that was talking about “first choice”. Don’t attack me personally for using facts to show exactly how true your statement was. </p>
<p>And once again, be reminded that I was referring to OP the ENTIRE time with the ■■■■■ business. He started heated discussion (for the purpose of nothing) and nobody except us will read past the first two pages if at all.</p>
<p>…I’m responding to Colm, as he/she states it two posts above mine. I had no problems with your post.</p>
<p>Oh I’m sorry, then we should definitely use @. The thing is i have listed the majors that Cornell is good at too - but it was too much of a hassle to look up each ACTUAL ranking because people can just take my word for it if they are actually curious, but if they are attacking these claims just for the sake of it then the numbers would do no good anyway because they’re not here to reason. I appreciate his effort though - he may have come across as particularly biased but this may be due to the fact that this is a ■■■■■ thread and it’s hard to hold yourself back in such a setting.</p>
<p>Hesitant to respond to this kind of thread, but Cornell’s yield last last spiked up 3% to a 10-year high. And Cornell’s survey of graduating seniors reveal a high degree of student satisfaction [over 90%].</p>