<h1>88, Poetgrl: great post. I completely agree on every point.</h1>
<p>And sosomenza, if these parents shared the Taliban’s interpretation of sharia, the daughter would not be in any college at all much less one in the US.</p>
<p>I loved Beyonce! </p>
<p>I am with the “comfortable with her sexuality” school, & I suppose some of you are not familiar with “put a ring on it”?</p>
<p>I too felt her performance was tame in comparison to some of the things we saw on stage during the Madonna era.</p>
<p>Even Madonna’s performance was more wholesome than that debacle. I dunno. Whenever anyone, male or female, dances so…provocatively, I feel weird. O___o</p>
<p>So, poetgirl, if you don’t tolerate your Muslim and Jewish friends’ beliefs, what would you call it? If you’re not trying to change them, you’re tolerating them. Unless your Muslim friends are non-practicing, they follow certain edicts that some would think of as treating women “less than”. So what do you do? Try to change them? Ignore them? Slip them tracts about American freedoms? I’m trying to see how it works for you, seeing as you don’t “tolerate” people.</p>
<p>Some of you guys have not been to any high school dances, I think. What the kids do there makes Beyonce & her crew look like Swan Lake</p>
<p>sseamom, it is perfectly possible to keep one’s opinion of someone else’s religious beliefs to oneself in most circumstances. That does not mean that one either “respects” or “tolerates” the beliefs in question. </p>
<p>For me personally, the line usually comes when they attempt to cross the line between church and state, because that is when it becomes possible for the beliefs in question to be imposed on others.</p>
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<p>This is the last actual post I will make on this thread, but I don’t have to “tolerate” my muslim or jewish friends beliefs because they agree with me in terms of women’s freedoms. Just as there are fundamentalist christians I disagree with, there are fundamentalist muslim and jewish people I disagree with. However, the converse is also true. There are plenty of truly moderate muslims, in my experience. They just need to start to speak up the way moderate christians and jews do.</p>
<p>Clearly I “tolerate” all beliefs. But, we aren’t talking about tolerance here. We are talking about privledging those beliefs. I no more respect the view that blacks are less than whites than I respect the view that women are less than men. But, obviously, here in America, we “tolerate” all views.</p>
<p>Even those of those who do not tolerate ours.</p>
<p>Lol I didn’t go to my prom last year for that reason. </p>
<p>Unspeakable acts take place on that dance floor. The lack of class is appalling. And in front of teachers to boot! xD</p>
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<p>Where do you think they learned it from? ;)</p>
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<p>Is it necessarily true that someone who is religiously observant has to treat women as “less than”?</p>
<p>Remember that the more extreme types tend to be in the news most often (because their sayings and actions tend to be more sensational as news), even though they are not necessarily the majority among members of that religion.</p>
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<p>Exactly, clearly mainstream society has no filter any more. Its not surprising foreign born parents feel the need to exert some control since society isnt.</p>
<p>Hip hop videos — and each other</p>
<p>You can be tolerant of other views without liking them. I have to say that I don’t like the idea that all the food in my house is so “unclean” that somebody couldn’t eat there. I don’t like the idea that my daughter is a sinner because she doesn’t cover her face, her hair, or her whole self. I don’t like the idea that the pastor of my church shouldn’t be allowed to serve because she’s female. There are plenty more. I tend to be less concerned about the more abstract ones (ie., those who think I’m an unbeliever because my specific version of Christianity varies from theirs in some–to me–minor particular). But as I intimated upthread, I do kind of resent the idea that my house and my family are “unclean.” I mean, my house isn’t really all that clean, but you know what I mean.</p>
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<p>Ritually unclean. Not literally.</p>
<p>Nobody’s saying that your dishes and utensils – and the food served on them – are literally unclean because the same dishes and utensils have in the past been used to handle pork or other foods forbidden in certain traditions. But this does make them ritually unclean from the viewpoint of people who follow those traditions.</p>
<p>I know it’s ritually unclean–but it’s still a judgment on the outsiders. As I noted above–you can’t really have it both ways–you can’t have practices designed to separate yourselves from the masses as a more holy people, and expect the masses to like it. In this country, at least, the masses will tolerate it, mostly.</p>
<p>I will defend Americans’ rights to do anything legal that they want, but I admit I was embarrassed that apparently what American families want to see on TV is women in plunging black leather corsets and high heels, pole-dancing and thrusting their crotches in my face.</p>
<p>I also feel sad for people who will never get to go wine tasting in Napa, have sex for pure pleasure, and eat a double cheese pepperoni pizza. I won’t tell them I feel that way though, because there is no point in it since I get to do it.</p>
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<p>Do the masses care? Do they feel offended? </p>
<p>I wonder whether anyone has conducted research on this issue.</p>
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