#1 We are not talking about kids who choose a Commonwealth Campus. That is the issue they are forced to and we are not sure about the reason. #2 Talking about need based aid not merit. That is limited too and need to be offered to people who have no interest in the campus. #3 We are not talking about all 100,000 for summer only the ones not admitted. You would think to consider for summer UP would be easier than starting over with the campus #4 Again not optional that is the issue. #5 Altoona enrolled about 25% of admitted. Donât know if these were UP denials or direct applications. #6 I expect few who apply to a 45,000 student campus would find the same interest in a 3,000 student campus #7 OF course there is an issue with someone denied admission. Thanks the definition of denied. As we are discussing here âcredentialsâ donât just mean grades. Major interest, applicant pool are among other things that impact. But there was some reason for denial.
I have no complaint with the campuses. They offer a great opportunity and a path to UP. My complaint is how the process increases the campus numbers with a bunch of kids with no interest in them.
Just a quick note that my daughterâs high school sends ~30-50 students a year to George Mason. I do not have first hand experience with the school but recently toured with DD. Campus is lovely and close to DC- so I would think internships may be more easy to find! Could you daughter visit?
Curious to know if you (or your child) applied and were denied UP admission? You havenât said what the stats were that led to the denial. Or is this all for argumentâs sake?
I donât think I missed the point. You take objection to Penn State asking for an alternate campus. I donât. No one is FORCING anyone to attend anywhere. The ones who MIGHT have a complaint are direct applications to the commonwealth campuses who want to go there and might be fighting for space with someone who doesnât really want to go there. But thatâs not that big of an issue either because the yield accommodation is big.
If you apply to UP and are offered a commonwealth campus, who does that hurt? You either go to the commonwealth campus or you say thanks but no thanks and move on. Itâs just an offer. Itâs not affecting anyoneâs financial aid. (Penn State itself doesnât meet financial need either - only government/outside sources are available).
Automatically evaluating for summer would be the same issue - people offered summer who donât want it and have no intention of attending.
Lots of students get deferred to a commonwealth campus and decide to attend anyway because of the 2+2. In fact, more than 50% of all Penn State graduates in the world started at a commonwealth campus. Some chose to start there, others were deferred and went there anyway.
Itâs simply just another acceptance. Decline it, accept itâŠit hurts no one to have the offer, unlike talking down about the students who decide to attend those campuses does.
we did visit and it was amazing! They rolled out the red carpet for her. Private tour, access to everything. I agree with you! This momma thinks she should go there But what do I know
My daughter was offered summer start (Smeal), and was not considering it because she didnât want to do the summer for various reasons. She emailed admissions inquiring about possible reconsideration as undecided DUS, and they replied that they had switched her to that lol. In her email, she also asked if she would have for forfeit her summer start admission offer in order to be reconsidered as undecided DUS. In their reply, they told her no, that if they were unable to offer her the fall DUS admit, her offer would just revert back to the summer start admission offer. So, no risk.
This exchange took place shortly before Christmas, and she heard today that she has been admitted for Fall 22 as undecided DUS. She still needs to research and consider the path from DUS to declaring her business major, but from what Iâve read in this group (thanks jlhpsu), itâs the same. If so, PSU is a strong contender.
Congrats. My daughter did the same on 12/15 but hasnât heard back yet. She initially got offered the 2+2 option for Smeal. Did your daughter get an email or has she been checking her applicant portal?
There is no different path. Same classes, same ETM (entrance to major) requirements, same GPA requirement.
Differences:
cannot join sapphire leadership from DUS (minor pointâŠ.)
will have a DUS advisor instead of business advisor. (If this is really a concern, then go to drop-in advising for Smeal to confirm any advice from DUS advisor).
Many kids follow this path - including my oldest. For those âin the knowâ, it is a common path rather than applying Smeal from the get-go. (Engineering is also same boat).
I find their website to be very confusing. It seems like there are some differences, like she wouldnât be able to attend the various business school events, like the fall college meeting, she would miss out on having a Smeal student mentor, and her adviser wouldnât be from Smeal. So, while she can now start in the fall, and still get her business degree, itâs still somewhat tainted in comparison to her other university admissions where sheâs directly admitted to the business school already for fall. Iâm also not sure if there is difficulty registering for the required classes, or if DUS has additional gen-ed requirements of their own, given that their mission is exploratory.
She signed up for an accepted student day in late March. Maybe she can ask some of these questions there.
Thank you for the feedback. Itâs good to hear from people who have been through it. I just want her to have all of the information, so she can make an informed decision.
These are all great questions! Definitely should ask during accepted students day (we will do the same as my son is in same boat)⊠good to have as much info as possible before making final decision! Good luck! I see you are on the other threads as well looks like our kids applied to similar schools! All the best to you and your daughter
Thanks for posting today - My daughter checked her portal and got in today- same situation as yours. She got a direct admit to Kelley at IU so its hard not knowing how it works out when you donât get the direct admission to the business program. However, I understand everyone has to âapplyâ after sophomore year to get in based on GPA and courses took during those first two years.
Was it just a new acceptance letter that replaced the original acceptance letter? My daughter was admitted for the summer session for DUS. She spoke with someone about asking for reconsideration due to circumstances, so she had to email admissions with an âofficial appeal.â I was wondering if anyone knows anything about the timeline of that process or what it involves.
It reads as though itâs a brand new acceptance letter. On 12/15 changed her application from Smeal to DUS and just heard today for DUS at UP campus with a fall start. She did not elect summer as an option
There are small differences, but overall itâs the same path. The classes will be exactly the same. DUS has no requirements of itâs own.
Most other schools have GPA requirements to STAY in, Penn State has them to GET in, but if you have the GPA and class requirements, you ARE in. You donât have to apply in the sense that some with the qualifications wonât get inâŠif you have the qualifications you get in. So in that way, itâs the same as a direct admit that requires you to keep a certain GPA. Either way, you have to get the GPA.
I know Iâm a big ârah rah Penn Staterâ, but honestly, a Smeal business degree is worth quite a lot in the business world. Itâs a very good business school.
But what do I know 
looks like our kids applied to similar schools! All the best to you and your daughter