<p>No no no no. You completely misunderstood me. I am not stating anything. I was asking the question. I know that Indiana is the better b-school. My question was between the Smeal and Kelley, which one would recruiters in the east go to recruit first. If you actually thought I stated something, sorry if I misled you. But it was a question because I have no clue about recruiting and all that stuff. But I am only talking about undergrad right now, graduate school can wait because I hope to get into a top program-but that's something to worry years down the road, not now. At least for me.</p>
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<p>How is it you're assessing schools w/o having knowledge of the job placements? What undergrad major within the schools are you planning? How you are able to achieve is also a part of this......better grades at either school will get you the better job.</p>
<p>I dont understand what grad school has to do with this still? jus cuz you go there UG doesnt mean you have to get your grad there does it?
And I didnt say salaries arent important...I just said that as much as it's generalized, it can be hard to judge from that SINCE DIFFRERENT AREAS HAVE DIFFERENT PRICES FOR LIVING. like I said, what does employer's view of the grad. school have to do with UG?
you also never mention the networking poss of PSU grads....huge network they have, which is what I mentioned before....I think your just fighting for IU so much becuz you just found out u got in anywayz.....</p>
<p>Lets end this since its getting into a futile stubborn argument. We've presented both of our opinions and I think this will be sufficient enough for Blue</p>
<p>So blue you have a big and hard decision to make (I think A2 and I may have actually made it worst)</p>
<p>Good argueing with you A2, it's always good to have a heated discussion on CC ey? :)</p>
<p>Holy..I didn't assess anything! I asked a question. You guys misunderstood me. Maybe it was my fault, but I assure you I DID NOT STATE ANYTHING. </p>
<p>This is what I should have posted. Do employers in a certain region look towards schools in their region first before leaving?</p>
<p>Many people will refer to the MBA[graduate] reputations as also applying to the undergrad quality. Faculty are the same. As to salary: many folks do use the salary range as relevant and if this student is looking to work in NYC he will need salaries in the top range. You will be planning to work for 3-4 years before entering an MBA program? </p>
<p>This group of employers whom they survey don't like Wharton which I find a bit amusing but that is another thread and discussion. This gives you some ability to look at salaries etc.</p>
<p>A lot of this discussion has to do witht he type of business job you want out of your undergrad program. Many students envision themselves in I-banking, don't realize the hours and personality that are required for success and don't understand that I-banking has tons of back office/support jobs that aren't the big money jobs. You would do well to investigate what type of job you might be interested in. Great sales people are a special breed and it matters not what school you came out of. For other jobs it matters. Do envision yourself in big sales?</p>
<p>Anyone know which is better for Management Information Systems?</p>
<p>The largest percentage of students who go to state universities for UG business end up going onto the same state universities for their MBA. Look at MBA feeders and where the students came up. The most important thing about your UG school (besides what you actually do there) is the prestige of your UG school. That will get you into a quality MBA program. </p>
<p>The employer's view of the Grad school has much to do with the reputation of the UG school and how that degree is seen, since of course, the grad business school and the UG business school are ran in the same department. We have the peer assessment rating of the UG school, which tells us how the degree is seen among other faculty, and the employer assessment rating, showing how the degree is seen among employers. There is no employer assessment for UG, so the best way to evaluate if your UG degree will be seen well among employers is to check the employer assessment rating applied to grad schools. Of course, you don't go into business without a MBA.</p>
<p>hazmat - that was a great link. It's another way to see how degrees are viewed. And again, Indiana is 11th, whereas Penn State is 33rd, according to regional recruiting.</p>
<p>I haven't made this decision worse. I told them accurate facts about how Kelley is a much better business school that Smeal. And it is. I've provided numerous evidence to support my statement, and you (CH121S) keep making false accusations about the school, and lying to try and convince the student to go to an inferior school. For example, saying that different areas of the country have different standards for living. This is a fact, but it's totally irrevelant. Arizona is cheaper to live in than Massachusetts, but does that make the Massachusetts business school better than Arizona's business school? Of course not. Then talking about a network, and acting like IU doesn't have one?! COME ON!</p>
<p>I'm not lobbying for IU because I got in there. I could have EASILY gotten into Penn State, but I researched my schools before I applied to them, and realized that if I wanted business, and I had a decision to make between IU and PSU, that IU would give me the better education, give me the more reputable degree, and have a better chance of landing a top job. It also had strength in the major I wanted, as well as a secondary major i'm in love with (the most important part). I think the campus is beautiful, they gave me a large scholarship and soon to be aid package, have made phone calls to my house answering any questions I had, offered direct admission to my program of choice (meaning I could take classes when I got there), and it's closer to my home, situated in actual city. None of those PSU offered me.</p>
<p>ok thats good for you a2 you easily got into IU and you could have easily got into PSU (sounds like most CCers ;)) and when you said easily that way it almost seemed as if you were tryin to down PSU some more.....</p>
<p>when did I make false accusations? lie? I presented my opinion
and the situation of where he lives is why i mentioned that....if he live in Penn it would be idiotic to goto IU IMO and vica versa.
also, how is saying that different areas of the country have different standards for living lying? I thought that was the truth ;).</p>
<p>so all in all blue you have to consider things such as where your from and which campus you like more for where you want to go....as Ive repeated numerous times</p>
<p>I've already responded to that false statement (location of PSU being better than IU's location for employers). You aren't reading my posts, or looking at the facts i'm giving. You're presenting opinions and what you "think". There's a bit of a difference between your opinions and the facts i'm presenting. </p>
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<p>I don't get how it would be idiotic to go to a better business school if you're going into business. That's just speaking dumb. </p>
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<p>I never said it was lying, rather, completely irrevelant to the discussion of which business school is better. Again, try reading my posts.</p>
<p>Your logic in choosing PSU over IU is "go where you want to go". That's great. But he was asking at the start of the thread "where should I go". Then you gave uninformed "opinions" about why he should go to PSU, which were all wrong, as I responded with facts about Indiana and what makes Kelley a better business school.</p>
<p>U said it was an example of how I lied so yes you did cite that as being lying.....
I also dont believe that IU is better than PSU enough to justify forfeiting in-state tuition. I told him to choose between the two by visiting the colleges and trying to feel which hell be more comfortable at. After all, whichever he feels more comfortable at, is where hell perform the best.</p>
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<p>How interesting that you tie comfort and achievement. I would have thought that many other factors would affect achievement but not comfort.</p>
<p>He will get a scholarship of around 6K per year at IU, making the 19K tuition down to around 13K. I believe PSU in-state is 11-12K, so it's really not a difference, or a reason to go there.</p>
<p>Comfort = achievement? Wow.</p>
<p>Comfort certainly does affect achievement. Unhappy students can't really make the most of their education, no matter where they attend.</p>
<p>So you believe that comfort is the biggest factor in if one achieves at their desired university?</p>
<p>Many factors affect achievement. While it is not usually the biggest factor, comfort definitely counts. It depends on the person. If the unhappiness is pervasive, then it may be the dominant factor preventing success. Just check out the threads of unhappy people debating transfer.</p>