Penn State vs. Northeastern

<p>(first post!)</p>

<p>Okay, i'm having some trouble with this. </p>

<p>I am a pennsylvania resident, currently at a community college for Computer Engineering. I have come down to the two choices of Penn State and Northeastern, which i have both been accepted to as a transfer. </p>

<p>Penn State:</p>

<p>THE GOOD:
- I live in PA, thus the tuition is lower
- They have a highly ranked engineering dept.</p>

<p>THE BAD/NOT SO GREAT:
- I'm not much for huge schools out in the middle of nowhere
- I'm not much for sports or partying.</p>

<p>COST:
They are not giving me any aid - only a $3000 PHEA grant. Their estimated cost is $20,000, I would end up paying around $17,000 / year</p>

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<p>Northeastern:</p>

<p>THE GOOD:
- In a wonderful city: Boston
- Excellent Co-Op Program
- I seem to like the image of NEU over PSU a lot.</p>

<p>THE BAD/NOT SO GOOD:
- The price! + expensive city
- They don't really rank so well. </p>

<p>COST:
Their estimated cost is at $40,000/year. I got a $5000/year achievement award, and a $10,000/year NEU Grant, which brings my cost down to around $25,000/year. </p>

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<p>My family cannot provide a cent of the costs, so price is a key factor here. I can make some of the money either at a summer job, or in NEU's case, a COOP job. The rest would have to be taken out in loans. My heart is really at Northeastern, but financially, and rank-wise, i'm being told PSU might be a better choice. Would Northeastern be worth the extra cost?</p>

<p>What are your thoughts?</p>

<p>Rankings Smankings!</p>

<p>You should take the rankings with a grain of salt because they do not provide an accurate picture of Northeastern. In short, NEU is drastically underrated. Northeastern should really be ranked in the top 60 (overall) and much higher for CS. Here's why:</p>

<p>The U.S. News methodology is flawed because it assumes that all colleges are following a traditional academic curriculum (i.e. comparing apples to apples). But Northeastern does things quite differently. It is one of only a handful of schools to have a fully integrated co-op program (i.e. it is an orange). For example, the way the current methodology works, the rankings make it appear as if Northeastern has a high student/faculty ratio. But this is only because U.S. News assumes that all students are on campus taking classes at the same time. This is far from the case; nearly half of the upper-class students are off campus interning at companies (unlike most schools, Northeastern students follow rotations where they alternate semesters of academics with semester long internships related to their major). Anyone who knows Northeastern knows that class sizes are actually on the small side (esp. upperclass courses). The amount of money spent per student and faculty resources rank also seem low in comparison to other schools in the top 60, but again this is only because U.S. News assumes that all students are on campus at the same time using resources. Students who are on co-op should be excluded because they do not pay tuition while they’re interning. Northeastern really has more money to spend on the students who are on campus taking classes. Again, anyone who has visited Northeastern recently knows that the school has plenty of money. All the facilities are new and the professors, administrators, etc. are earning top dollar. </p>

<p>Another flaw in the U.S. News rankings methodology is the use of a six year graduation retention rate. Again, U.S. News assumes that all schools are following a traditional four year academic model. But again, Northeastern does things differently. A very large number of NEU students choose the five year co-op program (a four year program is available but for some reason it is less popular). Northeastern also offers a six year PharmD program. Obviously, Northeastern's graduation stats would be significantly higher if U.S. News factored this into the rankings. But they don't.</p>

<p>Northeastern's rating, although still top tier (under the new ranking system), simply does not add up. Still, even with its nontraditional curriculum, Northeastern has been climbing in the rankings. This is primarily because the university has made significant gains in selectivity. Northeastern should continue to rise as it becomes more nationally known. The admit rate for last year was in the 40% range which was well below the vast majority of schools in the top 60. This year, the university received 6500 EA apps out of a total of 27,000 apps which is a new record. The university is also in the process of hiring 100 new star faculty. The new faculty will significantly lower the university's student/faculty ratio (this should make up for the shortfall in the rankings).</p>

<p>As a side note, the university administration has been lobbying U.S. News to make some changes to their rankings methodology so that it takes into account the university’s nontraditional academic curriculum. So who knows, Northeastern may finally get the credit that it deserves.</p>

<p>**As another side note, external research funding to Northeastern increased by a whopping 45% this year. The increase can be attributed to the ambitious faculty hiring plan. All these new star profs that the university has been hiring are bringing their research grants with them.</p>

<p>As for the CS rankings, there was an article published in the Boston Globe recently that stated that U.S. News made in error is gathering information relative to Northeastern. The magazine used data that was four years old. Since that time, NEU has beefed up its program considerably by adding several new star CS faculty and building a brand new state of the art facility to house the program. If not for the data error, the CS program would be ranked much higher than it is.</p>

<p>Don't let the rankings fool you, Northeastern is a great school.</p>

<p>Thanks for the info, Maxiumus! Although, i've seen that information before from your previous posts on Northeastern. I had a feeling you would reply to this post -- You never miss a Northeastern thread. Nothing wrong with a proud alumni, though. Haha =)</p>

<p>Rankings aren't a huge concern for me. The big deal is money, and is the extra debt worth it, that's what i'm not too sure of. I've practically already set my heart/mind to NEU, but i posted this thread to see some other opinions on the matter, that i may have missed. I can be a very indecisive kid, and when it comes down to this much money and so many years of my life, i wanted some outside perspective. But, thanks for the info.</p>

<p>Rankings aside, Penn State is still better with academics. Not to mention a lot CHEAPER than Northeastern.</p>

<p>"Rankings aside, Penn State is still better with academics." </p>

<p>Outside of flawed rankings, there is no way to prove that statement. But If you look at the stats of the student body and quality of professors (schools attended) they are virtually the same. So the difference comes down to location (and financial factors). </p>

<p>To the OP, if its worth the extra cost to you to go to school in Boston and take advantage of the co-op program, then go to Northeastern. If not, go to Penn State. Both are good choices.</p>

<p>I'm not talking about rankings. There are many more strong academic offerings at Penn State. Now, Northeastern is a good school too and has some very good programs. However, these strengths are somewhat limited compared to PSU.</p>

<p>"However, these strengths are somewhat limited compared to PSU." Okay, flawed rankings aside, please explain why Penn State has a stonger CS program than Northeastern.</p>

<p>I would go Northeastern, it seems that you prefer the college and i think $8k a year is worth your happiness.</p>

<p>did you apply to pitt?</p>

<p>If money as important as you make it sound, then go with Penn State. But if you feel that it's worth the extra money, go head and make the trip up to Boston.</p>

<p>Maximus, I said that there were good programs at Northeastern (including Computer Science). However Computer Science is just one major. Northeastern's top programs are a tiny handful in comparison to the loads of strng course offerings at Penn State.</p>

<p>"did you apply to pitt?"</p>

<p>No, i did not. Although, i did get into Lehigh. But, i'm not even sure why i applied there, because i wouldn't be happy at all. I also applied to Villanova, but they somehow messed up my application. Don't ask me how. It's funny, NEU was the only out-of-state school that i applied to, but i guess it has it's appeal.</p>

<p>"If money as important as you make it sound, then go with Penn State. But if you feel that it's worth the extra money, go head and make the trip up to Boston."</p>

<p>See, my problem is deciding if it IS worth the extra money. I'm no fan of debt, don't get me wrong. But, i would be willing to make the extra sacrifice if it was worth it. But, is it worth it? </p>

<p>Ughh. I'm being pulled in both directions by some interesting points for each school (both on here, and by others i have asked). It's making it quite difficult, and i have to make a decision before May 1st.</p>

<p>Oh, also to note, i would be under the Engineering program, not the CS program at either school.</p>

<p>Well both have strong computer engineering departments. Again, the quality of the faculty and student body would be about the same. So again, you need to decide whether the co-op program and Boston are worth the extra cost of attending NEU. In my opinion NEU is worth it. Boston is an amazing city and the co-op possibilities are endless for Computer Engineering majors. But hey I'm biased. Pick the school that's right for you.</p>

<p>The money you would make by participating in co-ops at NEU, would probably make up the difference in cost from PSU. Have you tried contacting a finacial aid offficer at NEU to plead your case. Tell them your situation and that you would really prefer to go to NEU. Maybe they can come up with something.
Based on your preferences, it sounds like you would be much happier at NEU. Boston is a great city and I'm sure the co-op opportunities would be awesome. I say go with your "heart"!</p>

<p>P.S. Just an interesting note - I had a cousin who went to Dartmouth for undergrad, Harvard Law School for Grad and a few yrs later choose to go to NEU for his MBA. He is EXTREMELY successful and I'm sure he didn't care about rankings!</p>