@Chembiodad Are those NESCAC numbers above from the ED round of class of 2022?
Ok: really? I twisted your words? You never said that: “Hamilton’s admitted student profile is higher than Bates, Colby, Middlebury and Wesleyan” in post 13 above? What part of “higher” did I twist? Do you have any evidence for that statement? Also, just did a five second look at your prior posts:
This is you last year:
09-09-2017 at 8:36 pm edited September 2017
USNWR rankings are broken if Colby is higher ranked than Hamilton as test scores aren’t close; also having either Colgate or Vassar higher ranked wouldn’t make sense either, but as many of the top-10’s don’t make sense it’s just one more selectively weighted ranking system.
Could probably find a bunch more.
“aren’t close”? Even if you want to compare 3-year old data you quote, I would say that is awfully close. However the more recent numbers I quote is from class 2021 profile on the websites of the 2 schools so easy to check. Colby is reporting the actual Class of 2021 (so enrolling students as of 8/1/2017). Hamilton reports “accepted students”. So the actual numbers for those enrolled may be lower. In any case: no evidence that Hamilton’s test scores are “higher” or that Colby is “not close” as you keep claiming. No big deal really: I cant imaging anyone really caring. Except you made this claim multiple times across different threads.
@homerdog, nope those are for the Class of 2021
@Chembiodad ok thanks. I get thrown off because it says 2017-2018 info. Wouldn’t that be the current high school graduating class?
@parent2123, in posting #13, you claimed I said “how much higher Hamilton admitted stats are than than other NESCAC’s” - I never said that.
Actually, Hamilton posts both Accpeted and Enrolled in separate places. As I stated before, many schools are combing the information on their student profile pages, some call it out and others don’t. Wesleyan is a great example of a school that includes both and calls it out, but you need to read carefully to see it (first set of scores listed are accepted, next set of scores listed are attending) http://www.wesleyan.edu/admission/apply/classprofile.html
Another great way to compare is to look at the % of students that achieved over a 700 on the SAT in CR and Math.
I am not an adcom amd I can’t explain why Colby hasn’t published CDS in two years, so we go with what we have.
And yes, I stand by stating that the USNWR ranking system is broken as the acceptance rate weighting is inappropriate in a Common App world where several schools are going no application fee and supplemental essay, which obviously pumps results.
@homerdog, easy to get thrown off - they are referring to college matriculation year.
These Hamilton rah rah posts actually turned me off to the school. Seems like somebody feels that they have something to prove.
@homerdog : Common Data Sets are apparently “labeled” for the current year, but report data for the prior year.
(Cross-posted with @Chembiodad.)
@deaston yes that is the problem. Hamilton is a great school. Those are all great schools no reason to keep posting how much superior Hamilton is.
@Chembiodad: I just send a quote where you claimed that Colby’s scores are “not close”. Is that not claiming that Hamilton is much higher? May be my command of the English language is poor.
@Deaston, that’s too bad as they are all great schools, albeit with different vibes.
@parent2123, no one said Hamilton is better, they are all great schools.
@parent2123 : Yes, but why make any of this personal by introducing past comments? If a subtopic on this thread is numbers, then why not let that discussion play out with the information available (in the form of accurate, homogeneous comparisons)?
It’s all so much stress! I’m sorry you are suffering, but it will work out. The trouble with small liberal arts colleges is they are small–and generally fill nearly 50% of a class through ED. I trust you’ve made your interest in staying on Bates waitlist clear to them, updated them with any new info, etc. If you had to choose between Bates & the others you have yet to hear from, where is Bates on that list? If near the top, make it clear to them that “if I clear the waitlist I will come to Bates.” You might be able to find stats on number selected off waitlist out there somewhere - but, of course, every year is different. I do think you are in the running for most of the schools you have yet to hear from, with Amherst being the “reach-iest.”
What is your intended major? Believe it not, there are still some schools out there accepting applications until April 1st or later. Two that popped out: Colorado School of Mines (if you’re science oriented) and University of Iowa in Iowa City (big, but some excellent LA type departments). There are also always schools that miscalculate yield and have openings after May 1st - not that It will come to that.
Good luck and keep us posted.
@merci81: I am not making this personal I am pointing to a false claim that has been repeated multiple times .
@Chembiodad: You did not say Hamilton is better, but you do keep making the claim that the test scores are “higher” and that Colby’s “are not close”.
From the respective college’s website class of 2021:
www.hamilton.edu/admission/apply/class-profile
Middle 50% testing ranges for accepted students:
New SAT: 1360-1480
Old SAT: 1410-1510
ACT Composite: 31-33
https://www.colby.edu/admission/college-profile/
Class of 2021*
Number of applicants 11,190
Percent admitted 15.8%
Middle 50-percent Old SAT scores 1350-1520
Middle 50-percent New SAT scores 1330-1510
Middle 50-percent ACT scores 31-33
(*as of August 1, 2017)
I know that is not CDS but if we leap to a bold conclusion that Colby is not lying on their website, those numbers are the same for all practical purposes.
@parent2123, it’s imposible to tell what Colby means with the data shown on the student profile page as it relates to Accepted students vs Attending Students, since both are combined in the data -https://www.colby.edu/admission/college-profile/
Colby Class of 2021*
Number of applicants 11,190
Percent admitted 15.8%
Middle 50-percent Old SAT scores 1350-1520
Middle 50-percent New SAT scores 1330-1510
Middle 50-percent ACT scores 31-33
(*as of August 1, 2017)
Colby did publish the Accepted student information in a Spring 2016 PR, but not in 2017 -https://www.colby.edu/news/2016/04/18/admitted-student-cohort-represents-colbys-most-competitive-ever/
The Hamilton information included in posting #32 is for Attending Students (yes, they have an error in the labeling). As I noted in prior posting, the Hamilton College Class of 2021 Accepted Student dats is - https://www.hamilton.edu/about/just-the-facts
Middle 50% testing ranges for accepted students:
New SAT: 1420-1510
Old SAT: 1430-1540
ACT Composite: 32-34
That said, Colby is obviously also a great school, as are all of the other NESCAC’s.
@youngdreamer12, while not ideal to have to wait, waitlists can go on until mid-July so make sure you get with Bates’ admission dean for your area and make sure they know you are committed to attending if admitted.
Given your list is mostly reaches, with Connecticut as a match based on scores and acceptance, did you apply to other matches and to safeties? Hang in there and best wishes!
USNWR is well aware that colleges can juice their applications in order to lower the acceptance rate, which is why the acceptance rate is weighted at a meaningless 1.25%
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/ranking-criteria-and-weights
Thanks to all! Wow I kinda like this site 
!!! Forgot to mention that I did not send my SAT to Wes, but I doubt that boosts my chance by much if any. Hanging in there. Worst comes to worst I take a year off and “find myself” in Thailand or something! I will keep you posted!
The Hamilton website is contradictory, comparing the “just the facts” page to the “class profile” page.
The “just the facts” page states… (see https://www.hamilton.edu/about/just-the-facts)
Middle 50% testing ranges for accepted students:
New SAT: 1420-1510
Old SAT: 1430-1540
ACT Composite: 32-34
The “Class of 2021 Class Profile” states… (see https://www.hamilton.edu/admission/apply/class-profile)
Middle 50% testing ranges for accepted students:
New SAT: 1360-1480
Old SAT: 1410-1510
ACT Composite: 31-33
What gives? Given this obvious incongruity, I would be suspicious of Hamilton’s self-reported data.
With only 36% of Hamilton students submitting SAT scores, I wouldn’t go throwing around that stat to prove anything.
Hamilton got a word wrong. The second set of posted figures is for attending students.