<p>internships at LVMH and HSBC...
hahaha
lmao.....</p>
<p>didn't morgan stanley offer you one?
rejected you?
oh....you were the guy who drove Lehman and all of us into this mess....
too bad....whartons gonna reject you too</p>
<p>Why are you posting internships that you rejected?</p>
<p>Why would anyone care.</p>
<p>And you dont need to post what each company did.</p>
<p>Thats like saying, I won Intel STS. The I am like, Intel is a internationally recongnized company...blah blah...it won these awards in 2008...blah blah...its not like you helped these company win those awards...if its important, the collegs would no</p>
<p>Basically, no one cares.</p>
<p>I'm just curious to see what pandaman has to say about all this!</p>
<p>I obviously have not checked this in a while...</p>
<p>for all, all the ECs and internships are legit...i'm having my boss write me a rec letter...i was actually referred to her by the person who offered an internship at HSBC when she found I was interested in marketing in a luxury goods conglomerate... i wrote down the declined internships b/c the admin officer i visited at penn encouraged me to...it won't be going in my resume, but it will go in "additional info you would like us to know" under the fact that i wrote no less than 100 cover letters when applying for something last year (and if you can do the math, you'll see that I was rejected from almost all of them, but lucked out on very few)...and with the age factor, I went to China as a "college student" for most of the office (minus a few people I worked directly under who were willing to take a chance on me; probably not the most ethical thing to do, but I'll do whatever it takes to get my foot in the door)</p>
<p>im also attaching contact information for every EC and internship coordinator/boss...obviously, i didn't post the personal info on this forum for you all to see, but college admin have the option of checking the validity of everything...if they do, they will find that everything stated on my resume is absolutely true</p>
<p>perhaps, i could have been more clear with my hours and not included class time (ill take complete responsibility for that and change my hours accordingly), but they were figured by averaging the 10-15 weeks i spent the most time in those activities (including summer), which I was encouraged to do by an admin officer from UoC who visited our school. </p>
<p>I came on this forum for an honest evaluation of my chances...i really don't appreciate the two people who gave out my personal information (I think I know who, but I will respect their privacy...). I thought they knew me better, but apparently not...</p>
<p>Since I wrote this, there are many other activities on both the local and national level that I can add. I work hard for everything I've accomplished, and if you don't believe any of that, that won't stop me from getting 3 to 4 hours every night; I can sleep tight knowing that there are people who will be writing my supp. rec letters who recognize my drive and abilities.</p>
<p>The reason I've worked so hard is b/c I know there are Ivy-bound students who are absolutely amazing. There are so many people, in my school and around the country, who are so much more intelligent that I am, so what I lack in mental acumen, I make up in sheer will power to succeed. Obviously, if you consider this resume to be "too good to be true," I'm asking for advice in the wrong place.</p>
<p>P.S. Actually, thank you to the people who did this. Now, I have an amazing college essay to write about.</p>
<p>calm down kids, everyone's getting accepted at Wharton nowadays. 108 hours of extracurriculars or not.</p>
<p>Besides, his internships seem like an average overachiever's. Now you tell me if he lists that he won a Nobel prize, then i'll consider bashing him down.</p>
<p>Let's see, there's 168 hours in a week.</p>
<p>Subtract 29 hours for sleeping and we have 139.
Subtract 35 hours for school and we have 104.
Subtract 10 hours for weekday HW and we have 94.
Subtract 67 hours for activities and we have 27.
Subtract 7 hours for meals and we have 20. </p>
<p>That leaves you with 20 hours in a week to do weekend homework, drive around to all of your activities, and brag about your stats on CC. Conceivable? Perhaps, but you'll die of a heart attack in your 40s due to the stress, lack of sleep, malnutrition, and lack of exercise you get from such a plan, so it's really not worth wasting your life anyway.</p>
<p>Man, if this is what the atmosphere at Wharton's gonna be like, I may be losing interest.</p>
<p>Bashing is one thing; invasion of privacy is another. Mr. Invisible and Aaasssddd (an account obviously created just for the purposes of bashing Pandaman) had absolutely no right to post his full name on an open forum. </p>
<p>Metalpots, you're going to find cutthroat students like these at every college, but from what I've heard, Wharton does have a united atmosphere. :)</p>
<p>Pandaman, you know, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that everything you've listed is true. I know from my own experience that it makes sense to put down the maximum number of hours that you dedicated to a given extra curricular, but honestly, it's better to write down average numbers. Student government may be 10 hours at its peak, but it's probably what, an hour a week for a meeting, tops? HiLite... if it's a newspaper, chances are it's not a daily or even weekly newspaper, so you probably only need to put in the 13 hours in a production week; if it's a literary magazine, it's a once a semester thing. I think it is much better to just avoid the possibility that people could confuse your stated time commitment for an inflation with the sole purpose of padding your resume.</p>
<p>Please don't patronize anyone by talking about a 3.94 unweighted GPA like it's something to be ashamed of. </p>
<p>By the middle of my junior year, here were my stats:</p>
<p>SAT: 1420 (i have no idea what the writing score was)
GPA: 3.8 weighted cumulative, probably 3.3ish unweighted (the weighted GPA went 3.63, 3.64, 4.06 from freshman thru sophomore and into junior year)
EC: Jazz band (8 hours a week, but that included about an hour and a half of in-school time... we took it for credit), Advanced Chorus (in school; 4 hours a week), track & field (7.5 hours a week, but it occasionally conflicted with band so I split time... oh and by the way I was terrible at running...nobody could get cut from the team though since we took it for gym credit), newspaper news editor (2 hours a week on average), respect life club (an hour a week), a job (8 hours a week bussing tables at a restaurant every Saturday)</p>
<p>By the time I actually applied senior year, I had never been west of Harrisburg, PA, nor had I ever been east of New Jersey... I grew up in Philadelphia and never really was in the position to travel. When I was fourteen I had to get a job for the summer; when I was 16, I'd been promoted to lifeguard for the city, and I had my multi-cultural experience, coaching a swim team comprised of half Russians and half Portuguese kids, so I wrote my common app essay on that. I wrote my Penn essay on a risk I took by being a Kairos (high school senior retreat) leader. I also noted quite a bit that I had a steady girlfriend, for some reason... we'd dated from sophomore year of high school until freshman year of college, actually.</p>
<p>What was my little kicker, I think, was my interview. I had an interview with a guy named Rob Biron on a Sunday in February, scheduled to take place at 10AM in a Starbucks at 8th and Walnut in Center City, Philadelphia. Naturally I was a little nervous, but I got there a little early and was waiting. The coffee shop was full, and this woman was kind of standing right next to my table... so feeling like she was hinting to me, I asked her if she'd like to sit down since the seat across from me was still vacant. She quickly accepted my offer. I was sure to explain the situation and that she would, unfortunately, have to leave when Mr. Biron arrived. As we talked, it turned out that she actually knows my dad, and we had a very nice conversation for about ten minutes. When Rob Biron walked in, I introduced her to him; he, naturally, asked, "How do you two know each other?" to which I responded, "Oh, we just met." During the course of the interview I was very frank with him, not fawning over Penn but asking the questions I thought would best benefit me. One of those questions was what he liked the LEAST about Penn.</p>
<p>About six months later, after I'd matriculated into Penn and joined the Penn Glee Club, I met Rob again, as he was (and still is) the president of the Glee Club Graduate Club. He confirmed my suspicions that my interview went exceptionally well and that he wrote a terrific recommendation as a result. He was sure to tell me that one of the reasons he was impressed is because I was a "real person," not someone who is just trying to score points to get into a school. And what I've found in a lot of the people at Penn is that though a lot have ridiculous stories (one of my hallmates last year started his own bottled water company for God's sake!), there are just as many who were well rounded and intelligent, but they also are outgoing and the like.</p>
<p>Penn looooooves "fit" in their admissions process. You write about how you think you FIT at Penn, and that's good. And if you are a person, not a robot, you have a better chance. In high school, my priorities were as follows: family, girlfriend, friends, band, other extracurriculars, job, and THEN academics. For senior year I initially wanted to take a course at a local college and take four or five AP courses, but then I realized that I would enjoy myself WAY more since I liked high school, so I wound up taking seven courses first semester and only having one free period a day... and then second semester I allowed myself to take the senior slide by only being in three courses (plus band, which is technically an honors course but is too fun to really consider it a class), so I basically had five free periods every day, during which I would hang out with friends, eat, and play games of pickup volleyball. Most of my friends did something similar, and they're all SO GLAD they did!</p>
<p>What I'm saying is just chilllllll out! Life is not all about college and where you go. If you don't get into Penn, don't worry about it... for the love of GOD don't go into your first year assuming you will transfer into Penn because that is much more selective a process than first year admission, plus you might just enjoy going to a different school. Penn's awesome, but hey there are a lot of awesome schools out there</p>
<p>Chrisw, your thread is so inspiring! and i couldn't agree with you more.</p>
<p>i have to say pandaman you have a marvelous experience, which is totally overachieving...i can understand your motivation and passion, to a certain extent, since i'm a Chinese (not U.S citizen)</p>
<p>i was so amazed at your experiences when i read them. i could NEVER do that. Maybe you are just destined to be an elite in the world, and wharton seems to be a perfect way to it. But, i still believe nothing is more important than LIVING YOUR LIFE.</p>
<p>Maybe you do enjoy your life a lot, cuz i, basically just an above-average high school student, cannot really understand why your experience interning in those big companies will be more fun than sleeping or going to parties......i saw your desperateness to get into Wharton in your thread, especially that sentence "UNFORTUNATELY i'm an Asian (Chinese)," which actually embarrassed me. i myself wished myself could be an native American, living in an Indian reservation or what, which will probably boost my chance to get into a great school like Penn. Honestly, i also have wished i was a U.S citizen, so that i don't have to worry so much about which college is need-blind to international students. i wished i could go to school since childhood in America instead of China, so that i could play so many sports and go to so many parties instead of attending various courses on weekends and worrying about my test scores all the time. However, anyway, you should NEVER say something like you dislike your own race. What's wrong with being an Asian?! I'm so proud of myself being an Asian, as every caucasian, every black, every Hispanic, every indian, and every other race does. Don't let college admission process dominate your view on everything, ok?</p>
<p>This is who i am. My experiences including my stupid mistakes and my doomed personal defects shaped who i am, and i don't want to push myself to anything, especially something like college. It is a college, not a factory. A college is a place that provides you with another amazing stage to live your life, not to produce another bunch of achievements. China is sometimes blamed or looked down by other countries as a "world factory." Sometimes i feel that is because our overall education just focuses too much on something like "effort" and "standardization." Yes, i admit i also care a lot about GPA. I basically drove my American classmates crazy because of my "Chinese standard (which is deserved to be proud of);" because of my unblemished unweighted 4.0 GPA and nearly the most rigorous class schedule as a foreign exchange student. However, i know i didn't come here for a GPA or for an academic recognition. The same way, you don't need to show us your "deep sorrow" of your 3.94 GPA, which is way too...utilitarian, i have to say. GPA is nothing more than a tool to get into college. Do you really think there's a difference between 3.94 and a 4.0? Does it prevent you from being who you are? I don't even believe that something like GPA can show a person's intelligence or potential. </p>
<p>If you can't get into Wharton, so what? You already had so many experiences shaping you into a "preprofessional businessman." You will still be AWESOME wherever you go, not to mention the fact that you already got accepted by a great school like IU Kelley (btw, i really detest that some Chinese applicants look down any college other than Ivies) You don't have to use an admission letter from Wharton to prove yourself as an awesome student. </p>
<p>Just enjoy your life! You are missing a lot of stuff that can only happen in your 17, 18 years old.(i assume you haven't dated or partied much yet..lol...)</p>
<p>In the U.S, not to mention you are a U.S. citizen, use more common American way rather than some trite Chinese ways to live your life as well as to pursue your dream.</p>
<p>P.S: Health is really important!!! and "massive bags under eyes" sounds horrible...- -|||</p>
<p>I never meant to offend you in any way ChrisW. I know that a 3.94 is not bad in any way or form, but when compared with people with perfect 4.0, there is a different (at least in my opinion). I'm not the smartest person in the world, and I recognize that I will not be a future noble laureaut in chemistry by any means. However, what I excel in is putting myself out there regardless, whether it is in finding internships or just networking at an event; I think I mentioned it earlier, but I wrote no less than 100 CVs last year, and I received more than 45 rejections before someone took a chance on me (on recommendation from that person's very good friend who coincidentally is a family friend of our family). During my internship, the only person who knew my real age was the person who offered me position; even my direct supervisors/co-workers were under the impression that I was a college student, yet they gave me more responsibility than any other intern (yes, that was stated in the reference letter I got from my boss a few months ago for a summer program I applied to). </p>
<p>My parents are my biggest inspiration. They came to this country with literally nothing with the hopes of providing me with everything in the world. While I was still living in China, they walked (YES, NO CAR!) to work rain or shine...the ride by car was 15-25 minutes depending on weather/traffic/etc, so just imagine how long they had to walk everyday to and from work. From a young age, they've always expected more than average from me, and as I've grown up, I've come to expect that from myself as well. They don't have to push me anymore because they know that I will push myself. As with the hours, I've changed them all to reflect a more transparent and fair representation of my work during both busy and transient weeks.</p>
<p>Getting to college is not my biggest concern in life, as much of a big deal as I make it out to be; I won't die going to Kelley at IU, but its always nice to set a goal. I'm not going to Wharton to be a typical finance major; I will be concentrating in marketing, management and retailing with minors in communications and political science (and hopefully a B.A. in International Studies if I'm accepted into Huntsman). I'm not settling for what society (at least here in Indiana) deems acceptable for males; I want to work marketing in the luxury goods industry, especially for one of the big three, LVMH, PPR (Gucci Group) or Richemont. </p>
<p>My priorities? My (good) friends are first and foremost. They are the people who I trust with my life, who would go to the ends of the world for me and vice versa. Make me choose between Wharton and my friends, and my friends will win out. When I showed some of them this thread two days ago, I had to stop them from registering and going completely insane on Mr.Invisible and aaa-whatever his username was. Maybe they wanted tangible proof of my involvement (which I won't fault them), but never asked me directly; I could have provided it in both physical documents (projects, letters, etc) and contact information of my supervisors. </p>
<p>By the way chrisw, thank you for the advice. If you would be interested in reading my new resume or my Why Penn essays, I would love the feedback. Obviously, I won't post them on here (I've been bashed enough for now, thank you very much), but I could e-mail them at your convenience. I hope you're having fun at Penn (well, I think you're on spring break now).</p>
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<p>Business might not be for you.</p>
<p><em>shakes head</em></p>
<p>Not to defend the OP in any ways, one of my friend did get a paid internship with Morgan Stanley in his junior year, last summer. So it's not entirely impossible.</p>
<p>^^ I got an "offer" for one through a good friend of my dad's, but i ended up not taking it... but those kind of jobs r just answering phones and moving papers around at $8 or $9/hr</p>
<p>Lol I believe my friend was paid even less than that. $2000 for 2 month, in the computer department handling some protocols. He think he might be re-invited again this year.</p>
<p>i was at a paid internship ($1000) at IBD of Morgan Stanley as a rising senior the past summer, working anywhere between 10-16 hours a day. (sometimes my days were 9am - 4am) I had connections (and there were few, thou not alot, highschool seniors and university freshmen who were on the same boat as me), and they didn't keep me for all those hours because I was good but because they always had unbelievable loads of work and needed someone to do the dirty jobs like binding documents, translating, punching in numbers into charts, etc.
Not that i particularly believe in anything pandaman is saying, but these internships ARE possible (i see that my situation was different from pandaman's though)</p>
<p>ya theres an enormous different between "JPM Paper Boy" and "HSBC Mergers and Acquisitions Summer Analyst, summer of 2008"</p>
<p>That's the kind of job I want to have for my senior year internship when I'm 3 years deep at Wharton...</p>
<p>^BUT he turned down the HSBC mergers and acquisitions summer analyst job for a better job! he, as a rising junior at the time, was able to get a BETTER job than your potential job as a rising wharton senior.
makes complete sense.</p>
<p>but can we just leave this guy alone? i want him to apply to penn anyway (denied - no doubt) and give the admissions people something to laugh about. they deserve a little laugh (and a story for future applicants!)</p>
<p>According to you, you sleep 3 hours max per day, have like 6 hours of school per day, 10 hours of ECs... when do you have time for your good friends?!? You change your story every time to incorporate a new lie... first your #1 priority was getting into Yale, then it was Penn, then it was working hard to make up for what you lack in intelligence and now it's friends. Let me tell you something... if you sent 100+ letters out then had to follow up on the ones you heard back from, etc. YOU WOULD HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO TIME FOR FRIENDS... so either way you are LYING.</p>
<p>And lol at nobody knowing your age... really? Come on. In the course of your conversations at your supposed "internship" nobody would've asked you "So where are you from... what college are you attending? or Internships like this are pretty hard to come by... you must come from a great college..." The odds of that are about 1 in a million. And then you just happened to develop marketing campaigns for 2 cities after you had only been working for the company for a month? They just said "Damn this kid who has no formal training in marketing and is a HS Junior and has worked with us for approximately 15 days is sooo good, let's let him lead the development of a marketing campaign which could either make or cost us millions of dollars. He is so much better than our other intern w/ 4 years of marketing training at Wharton." Odds of that happening? 1 in a billion. NOBODY... even a senior at Wharton would be placed in charge of a marketing campaign during a SUMMER internship... the company only knows you for 2 months... that is hardly enough time to see enough of your work to be comfortable placing you in charge of a major project... doing such a thing would be ridiculous and likely cost a company significant amounts of money. </p>
<p>And then there is the fact that 2 kids who know you well, even posted your name and attend the same school as you told everyone you are lying... they have nothing to gain from calling you a liar... so why should we believe you over them? And of course you posted this exact same thing 2 years ago... you post at times when you are supposed to be doing your ECs... it doesn't add up. You've been caught in a lie. Admit it and move on, or just leave college confidential or at the very least the Penn forums b/c NOBODY wants you here. NOBODY is going to help you anymore or respond positively towards you b/c you LIED to EVERYBODY.</p>