<p>Hey,</p>
<p>Will anyone who was admitted to the PLME post their stats?</p>
<p>Thanks. I’m sure someone has asked this before!</p>
<p>Lauren</p>
<p>I have a question regarding the PLME program at brown university. </p>
<p>What are the minimum required SAT I and SATII scores to get into the PLME? </p>
<p>An accredited website would be much appreciated in order to substantiate your claims. (preferably, Brown's website showing the requirements). What I found wasnt specific enough. </p>
<p>If you are in one of the programs, how did you performed on the SAT tests and what college do you go to.</p>
<p>thanks for the help. It's much appreciated</p>
<p>there are no min. required test scores</p>
<p>edit: that's why you can't find it on any sites</p>
<p>thats why it would be helpful to know the stats of someone who got in</p>
<p>For PLME, your stats mean very little other than that they have to be good. Like Brown in general, a 1400 won't keep you out, and a 1600 won't get you in, but the PLME program the students who really stand out are those who have had and benefited from some kind of applicable experience: doing research, an independent study of some sort, or a specific area of interest within the realm of science or medicine that being a PLME student would help them pursue. Having good scores is not enough--all Brown students interested in the sciences who get in to the general school have good scores. The PLME students can demonstrate a more refined and directed path, and that is why they get into the program. So, as has been said on this board a zillion times, chill out about the scores, just do as well as you can and focus on what your whole package is going to look like.</p>
<p>Quite frankly, I respectfully have a disposition to your response lisa2005. Although most people do say that scores don't matter, scores are everything. Colleges use them to compare every student in the nation, thus justifying why they are called standardized tests. As I respond to this email, I am still presented with the enigmatic question,"What is Brown looking for to get into the PLME". (SAT, SATII, ACT, EC's?(whichones)? </p>
<p>Thanks again, and please dont take my response as an insult, but rather a friendly disagreement.</p>
<p>I completely understand what you are saying and agree with you--it would be naive to think that scores don't matter, and that is not what I'm suggesting; sorry if I was unclear. Rather, what I'm saying is that nearly all competitive schools (at least the ones I've encountered) and their subprograms deliberately avoid dropping score boundaries because there is no fast rule about who they will and will not accept. There are no published minimums for that reason.</p>
<p>I can completely understand a curiosity about what those who have been admitted tend to get, but as you said yourself scores are one of many things used to compare between students--there is no set rubric, other than where you stand against the rest of the applicant pool in the particular year. So with that in mind, I just figured that I would take a stab at explaining what some of the other factors are that will make you stand out against the pool. I certainly harbor no delusions that scores don't matter; I just think that everyone should remain reluctant to tell themselves that they are totally within or totally outside the acceptance range with whatever scores they have. Just strive for your best and hope that it's good enough. Hope that makes a little more sense to you.</p>
<p>Does anyone have info about PLME students leaving the program?? What is the competitive atmosphere?? How does JHU compare to Brown?? Please help me out here.</p>
<p>I'm not sure how those two particular schools compare, but Brown's medical school is still very young and on the rise, and on top of that, until very recently it was composed of mostly the PLMEs. So while it's considered a very good school and getting better, it's my understanding that it gets many many fewer applications than your average competitive med school. From what I've heard (just others' opinions and knowledge), Hopkins is an EXCELLENT school and very well-established and is probably much more difficult to get into than Brown, but I don't know any exact statistics on how many people each takes, and only recently did Brown really make an effort to open up its applicant pool.</p>
<p>my roommate was a PLME and she applied out, and her class was the last year that you can apply out and still hold onto your spot at Brown. Because Brown is starting to try to encourage more applications from people outside the school, once a PLME student applies to schools outside of Brown, they relinquish their spot. It's a shame because it seems like it could put people in an awkward position because applying to med school is such a gamble in general. But I understand brown needing to know how many spots are available in order to know how many people to take.</p>
<p>I am particularly looking for students who are accepted into PLME and cannot or do not for a particular reason complete the program at the point of entry to Med School segment. The GPA requirement is 3.0 but I have some feeling that there are students who don't make this....perhaps the curve is high or whatever. I am aware it is only recently opened to the public. Your description is fine and I thank you so much.</p>
<p>lisa2005, I sincerely thank you and hope that I have not come acorss as overbearing. I am simply a curious mind in search of knowledge. So I thank you for your help, it is much appreciated and I would hope you continue to help other in dire need of advice.</p>
<p>So once again I ask everyone, "Does anybody know score or stats for those students who got accepted in PLME". Much appreciated, and thanks to all who respond?"</p>
<p>And as a whole how does Brown's Medical School compare to the other schools who offer the program. THANKS.</p>
<p>The word should be spelled across. Noticed it after I read my reply. I would just have typed (across*) in the reply but the dang thing says 10 or more words. So I have successfully met the requirements. With that said, answer my previous questions stated in the above message ^^^^^^. Thanks!</p>
<p>I can say that Brown's program is small and closed.....recently opened up to "others". It is not a shortened program as some others are it is just a pass on the MCAT/application process. It is a young program compared to Penn Med for example. Regarding research and such I think small.....regarding clinical training I think it is pretty much okay. How is compared to a state program or a large metro program......what specialty are you considering???</p>
<p>Regarding a recent acceptee: large public HS midwest. #1 in class of 800, old SAT above 1550, Habitat for Humanity + other. Not a major athelete, not a minority, Jewish, not a legacy. Did summer experience at Brown junior summer. Does this help at all?? Parents own a PawnShop!! I thought that was funny when I found out........NO medical persons in family.</p>
<p>thanks, more responses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>If you apply ED to Brown and the PLME program, you are asked if you still want to be ED to Brown even if you are rejected from PLME or if you are rejected from PLME you can have your application to Brown changed to RD. Do you think the way you answer this question greatly changes your chances for admission to Brown?</p>
<p>Yes, on the Brown alumni website that gives guidelines for alumni interviews, there's a sentence that comments on the importance of knowing whether a PLME applicant is really committed to Brown undergrad as well, or just the PLME program.</p>
<p>btw, I'm almost certain that PLME students can still apply out and still retain their spots in Brown med. When I went to ADOCH, it was either a current PLME freshman or a PLME director who mentioned this.</p>
<p>Edit: I should also add that I think it's a big waste to apply ED to PLME (probably already said this on this forum, but it's worth repeating). There doesn't seem to be any advantage to doing so- PLME accepts who it wants, ED or not. Based on what I said above, applying ED can even be a disadvantage to getting into regular Brown undergrad if you check that box. In my opinion, the best plan is to apply EA elsewhere and RD to PLME.</p>
<p>Asterstar, would you mind explaining what you mean, particularly the part about "Based on what I said above, applying ED can even be a disadvantage to getting into regular Brown undergrad if you check that box. In my opinion, the best plan is to apply EA elsewhere and RD to PLME." I'm not disagreeing with you, I am just curious about why you say this. Thanks, coldcomfort</p>
<p>Let's say that you check the box that says: "Would NOT be willing to be bound to the ED commitment at Brown if not accepted into PLME" (or something like that, I don't know the exact wording). Let's also say that PLME passes on your application for ED. When the Brown undergrad adcom looks at your application, the fact that you checked that box may affect your admissions decision. After all, the Brown adcom is looking for students that are "burning for Brown", and checking the box is certainly not indicative of that. So not only are you rejected from PLME, but your chances at regular Brown undergrad are hurt as well. </p>
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For each applicant you are assigned, you should complete a contact form giving your general impressions of the applicant. Keep in mind that the most helpful information to the Admission Committee is not a laundry list of extra-curricular activities, but more of an impression of the candidates personality and depth. You may also want to discuss in more detail the applicants interest level in Brown. For example, does he/she want to attend because Brown is an Ivy League school with a good reputation, or because of its excellent geology department? For PLME candidates, would they still want to attend college at Brown if they are denied admission to the PLME program?
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<p>got it now, asterstar, thanks for replying and explaining -- coldcomfort</p>