Pre-med at U-M: how does it compare to WUSTL?

Colleges and Universities A-Z University of Michigan
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<p>But what do you know? </p>

<p>Not much, apparently. LOL </p>

<p>How dare Alexandre use facts. I mean, you’re just digging on a school you clearly don’t attend, and making stuff up, while others relay actual experiences and the dreaded facts. </p>

<p>;) I think Barney is looking for you. Better hurry along. </p>

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<p>“What do you keep posting raw numbers in attempt to make UM undergrad look like more of a feeder to UM medical school, than Wash U college is to their medical school?”</p>

<p>I did not say it was more of a feeder. I said they are both excellent. </p>

<p>“UM’s undergrad is 4x larger than Wash U.”</p>

<p>That is correct flinstone, but WUSTL has a far larger percentage of premed students than Michigan. The last figures I saw showed that 250 WUSTL alums applied to Medical school in a given year, compared to 500 Michigan students. So from that point of view, it would make sense that if truly equal in quality, Michigan would place roughly twice as many students as WUSTL into top Medical schools. That is certainly the case at JHU.</p>

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<p>“Correct, if you make it out of the 500 student lectures that serve as weed out courses. I’d say Wash U’s 8:1 stu faculty ratio makes those early weed out courses much cozier to deal with, but what do I know.”</p>

<p>Now if only WUSTL were honest about its student to faculty ratio. Nice job judging the numbers by completing omitting thousands of graduate students from their calculations. I love being part of a university that has integrity. Go Blue baby!</p>

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<p>Ah yes, it’s a conspiracy that private schools have stronger stu faculty ratios.</p>

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<p>It is no conspiracy. It is all published in detail in their common data sets. Michigan includes graduate students in their calculation, most private universities, including WUSTL, do not.</p>

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<p>“How dare Alexandre use facts. I mean, you’re just digging on a school you clearly don’t attend, and making stuff up, while others relay actual experiences and the dreaded facts.”</p>

<p>But flintstone already stated that he DOES attend Michigan. </p>

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<p>I think I am going to choose to ascertain that particular claim as false. :wink: You know, in keeping with the rest of his posts. </p>

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<p><a href=“http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/som/students/academics/catalog/SOMCat1112.pdf”>http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/som/students/academics/catalog/SOMCat1112.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Hopkins Med
Harvard: 44
Yale: 32
MIT: 20
Maryland: 19
Princeton: 18
Stanford: 18
Duke: 17
Berkeley: 16
Columbia: 14
…
Michigan: 11</p>

<p>These feeder rates are misleading since Maryland sent more to JHU than UMich but clearly it is not as good of an institution</p>

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<p>^^^Not at all. Regional prefererences/proximities are almost always taken into account even for top schools. </p>

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<p>This post is purely anecdotal. I don’t have admissions facts like Alexandre to confirm my numbers. My daughter attended Michigan (Psych major) and is a 3rd year medical student in Chicago. Her boyfriend, in the same class, went to Wash U as an undergraduate. In her class year, there were about 6-8 Michigan students. I know specifically of two from Wash U (including the Dean of the Medical School’s daughter) there could be more. All these students were more than prepared for their medical school experiences. I agree with previous posts which stated that prestige of schools is not as important as grades, undergraduate research, MCAT scores and the ability to handle an interview well. Interestingly, for my daughter the Michigan alumni network has factored in several times during medical school. When she was interviewing initially she had interviews with many UM alumni. Now, in rotations she has met lots of alumni working in the hospitals and she hopes to get a recommendation for a residency from one of these alumni. I think both schools are excellent choices, but I have found that the alumni network at UM is unparalleled.</p>

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<p><a href=“http://prehealth.wustl.edu/Documents/HANDBOOK.pdf”>http://prehealth.wustl.edu/Documents/HANDBOOK.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
This gives lots of info about pre-health process at Wash U. Also lists a nice table showing GPA and MCAT scores and percent admitted to medical school. They also have some program wherein certain undergrads are directly admitted to WashU medical school – not sure of exact details. She should explore this option, knowing of course that some crazy percent of the kids coming to school think they are going pre-med and after the first year many change their minds. D is in engineering at Wash U (loves it) and most of the biomed engineers do plan to go to medical school. </p>

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<p>^^^^^Glad your D is doing well WSM. He/she probably would be doing just as well at Michigan. For the OP, U-M will cost about 80K less for a comparable academic experience.</p>

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<p>Actually novi, the scholarship is worth $80k. But even without the scholarship, Michigan is roughly $7k cheaper than WUSTL annually, so $30k cheaper over four years. When you add $80 in scholarship, Michigan ends up being over $100k cheaper than WUSTL. From a point of view of value, there is no doubt Michigan is a better option.</p>

<p><a href=“Cost of Attendance - Financial Aid | Washington University in St. Louis”>Cost of Attendance - Financial Aid | Washington University in St. Louis;

<p><a href=“http://www.finaid.umich.edu/TopNav/AboutUMFinancialAid/CostofAttendance.aspx”>http://www.finaid.umich.edu/TopNav/AboutUMFinancialAid/CostofAttendance.aspx&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>^^says the ■■■■■</p>

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<p>I just assumed costs were about the same Alexandre between Michigan and WUSTL for OOS students. Since WUSTL offered no money and Michigan offered 20K/year, I just assumed the OP would save about 80K. Now that you show it’s closer to 100K, the choice is even more obvious. GO BLUE!</p>

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<p>To clarify , Alexandre is not the ■■■■■. LOL!!!</p>

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<p>Thanks for all the responses - they have been very helpful!</p>

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<p>From an opportunities perspective, the University of Michigan owns its hospital and is THE hospital in the state everybody wants to go to when faced with an unusual or difficult to diagnose condition. They also have a children’s hospital and a mental health hospital- one of the few in Michigan that still has adolescent psychiatry. There are tons of opportunities for shadowing, volunteering and research to explore areas of interest in any medical specialty. </p>

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<p>They’re the same. The thing is, med schools don’t really care which undergrad you went to. It’s better to have a 4.0 at western michigan with the same MCAT than a 3.6 at Wash U or U of M.</p>