So I am a high school student with sights on becoming a future doctor and I had some questions on the University of Pittsburgh. So if you were to attend UPitt for Pre-med as an undergrad would be applying to their med school and being accepted be easier or would it be the same chances as someone from a different school?
Not easier. You’d still need to have the GPA, MCAT, and ECs that successful UPitt applicants have.
About the only advantage attending UPitt for undergrad will convey is that the med school admission committee is familiar with the grading policies and your recommendation writers. (Those this will also be true for any other colleges that send large number of applicants to Pitt every year.)
Pitt Med School seems to favor Pitt ugs, if the numbers provided by hailtopitt1787 in post #14 on this thread are accurate http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/university-pittsburgh/2052706-statistics-for-pitt-students-admitted-to-medical-schools-p1.html
It says that 49 Pitt grads were accepted to Pitt med school. Pitt med school class of 2022 was 162 students, so nearly a third were from Pitt (assuming all 49 accepted did in fact matriculate)
@Mwfan1921 How many of those 49 were admitted through Pitt’s guaranteed admission program (GAP–which is Pitt’s version of a BA/MD program)?
@WayOutWestMom hailtopitt (who is in Pitt admissions) did not say how many came by way of Pitt GAP. But Pitt GAP typically admits around 10 students per year, so even if all of them made it (and they don’t, as you know), 39 Pitt regular undergrads were still accepted.
Here’s Pitt’s class profile for the class entering in fall 2018
https://www.medadmissions.pitt.edu/admissions/who-we-are/class-profile
Also keep in kind that PittSOM is a partially state supported medical school that favors in-state applicants (just as Penn State-Hershey and Temple do). It’s to be expect that grads of PA’s top ranked public universities will be well represented in the admissions.
Some private medical schools also show preferences for their students like Tulane, where 37 of 191 class of 2022 students came from Tulane undergrad. https://medicine.tulane.edu/sites/medicine.tulane.edu/files/At%20a%20Glance%20Class%20of%202022_updated.pdf
This number does not support Pitt favoring instate. Many private schools beat this number for instate. If they did have 49 students from own school, it does not seem accurate that they are mostly instate (eliminates all other schools from instate if 49 students attended in that batch). Many may be from OOS or admitted but not attending?
https://www.medadmissions.pitt.edu/financial-aid/cost-attendance
Their tuition instate is quite high and about same as OOS.
Tuition* $56,004 $58,186
Pennsylvania is not truly an instate favoring state for med schools.
Pitt, Penn State and Temple are all public-private hybrid programs, similar to Baylor.
PA state government subsidizes the cost for PA residents at Pitt, Baylor and Penn State and guarantees X medical school seats for in-state residents each year.
The level of subsidy has been an issue in PA for a. number of years. (And not just with the medical schools. PA does not support its in-state college system well either and tuition at PA state colleges is comparatively high. It’s been that way for a long time–as far back as when I was a high school student in PA.)
Per AMCAS, Pitt produced 331 med school applicants for 2018-19.
@WayOutWestMom Baylor has 75%+ instate and their OOS tuition is lowest in the country that I have seen for a private school (except for Cleveland clinic).
I think 34% in state does not qualify Pitt as a public school, especially when they charge 56k for instate, on par with almost all private schools (Baylor is almost half for OOS and 1/3rd for instate). It is a sad state of affairs when a state as big as PA does not see a need for in state trained doctors who will stay instate or find it affordable to attend college.
Baylor’s in-state enrollment and level of support are codified in TX state statutes. It was part of written agreement way back in 1969 when the state of TX agreed to take over the financially failing medical school. PA medical schools are not subject to state statutes and funding levels are set by the state legislature every few years (I forget how often…it’s been a while. Maybe every 3 years?).
I agree that PA’s lack of support for its higher education system is sad and shocking. I’m glad I haven’t lived there for a very long time. (PA has a lot of other odd laws and statues. PA has a filial responsibility law which holds the children of deceased parent responsible for any debts beyond what the deceased person’s estate can pay. Originally a holdover from colonial days, PA has recently begun enforcing this law in some circumstances.)
I find it interesting that despite PA’s low level of support for medical education and high cost of medical school, that 30% of PA med school applicants attend an in-state med school (public or private) and just 17% matriculate OOS. A rate that is the highest in the NE and on par with states that have highly protected in-state med school admissions or have low populations. It’s on par with TX (31.3% instate) and higher than any state in the West.
I’m only aware of this with end of life care (nursing homes, etc) and a quick google search seems to show 30 states have such laws.
Is this what you are referring to or do you know of something that requires it of all parent debts?
PA does have weird laws like not being able to buy/sell a car on Sunday and only recently allowing its own residents to buy the same fireworks legally available to any other state resident, but I never considered this one to be all that odd.
As to sticking with in state schools… most of our students don’t want to go more than 3 -4 hours or so from home. If we’re average with that as we are with general achievement stats, that means most stay in PA or neighboring states if one lives near a border.
@Mwfan1921 "hailtopitt (who is in Pitt admissions) did not say how many came by way of Pitt GAP. But Pitt GAP typically admits around 10 students per year, so even if all of them made it (and they don’t, as you know), 39 Pitt regular undergrads were still accepted. "
49 is the highest number in UPSOM history.
usually, 50% of GAP students will make it.
Please note Pitt has SPAEP helping URM (underrepresented minorities) getting in UPSOM.
(I am not sure how many of 49 come from SPAEP Early Assurance Program)
https://medschooldiversity.pitt.edu/our-programs/summer-premedical-academic-enrichment-program-spaep
Based on 2018 Admissions Statistics (Class of 2022)
Class Size 162
Percentage of under-represented minorities 17%
https://www.medadmissions.pitt.edu/admissions/who-we-are/class-profile