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<p>So in reality, Hitler was quite the perverted SOB</p>
<p>TrueLove, I still can’t believe you are being serious. You have some pretty abnormal views. I respect them, but how do you even know there is a god? Is there proof?</p>
<p>Ok I thought of a reformed statement for mine.</p>
<p>“Without a psychological consideration, sex without the reason of procreation is completely irrational (do to a lack of reason with only expectation of risk to look forward to) while with psychological behavior being considered it has some artificial reason, which may or may not be irrational as it cannot be proven or disproven as there is no basis to make a conclusion which is not subjective. Therefore any opinion not contradicting what is stated is equally valid”.</p>
<p>So for no psychological reason, which all arguments against me seem to be, can we agree that it is reasonable to assume it to be irrational (for psychological I include instinctual behavior)? And psychological reasoning is at an uncertain ground, just based on a person’s perspective.</p>
<p>ahh, the parents: “Trumpetgrl, I don’t want you sleeping around so young! Don’t be a whore!” [not their wording, but it’s the message I got]</p>
<p>Umm, I would like to think that I will wait for sex 'til marriage. However, if that doesn’t happen…oh well.</p>
<p>When I think of premarital sex I just…CHUNDER EVERYWHERE!</p>
<p>lol @ the implication that the belief in God is abnormal</p>
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<p>Subjective mental risk? As in, forming possibly fragile attachments, potential drama, etc.? I do agree that there are risks, both physical and psychological, that exist when couples are unprepared. </p>
<p>This creates an almost-infinite risk, near-zero probability and high reward, high probability situation. Ideally, one would avoid this situation, but this action would then create the opposing situation of negative reward (in lost marginal benefit), 100% probability, which plays a role in making the decision. People will therefore find it ideal to have sex (once again dependent on their personal ideas of risk and benefit).</p>
<p>Edit: Wait, I posted after your next comment. Let me get back to you…</p>
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<p>Psychological reason = pleasure, just to clarify? </p>
<p>In that case, yes, sex would be illogical. But then that would apply to post-marital sex as well. Being married and having AIDS isn’t much better than being single and having AIDS. You’ve still got AIDS, and that sucks. </p>
<p>I think we’ve come to the same conclusion; we’ve just drawn different inferences. I did indeed argue that the marginal benefit of having sex has largely to due with physical and mental pleasure, and that decision making is based on personal evaluations of risk vs. reward. However, I believe that these “psychological reasons” must be taken into account, and that it plays a major role in decision making. </p>
<p>From a purely logical standpoint, humans should restrain from producing children for the time being (based on potential dangers of overpopulation and implications thereof). But because human sentiments play a role, such a scenario is highly improbable.</p>
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<p>Woah, I never accused you of anything. Just stating what I felt!</p>
<p>SEX IS NOT ONLY FOR PROCREATION!!! </p>
<p>IMO saying sex without intent to reproduce is irrational is like saying… eating snacks is irrational. Why eat if you’re not hungry?</p>
<p>@kellian-I am so not going to jump on your beliefs, so this question is just out of curiosity, but what other alternative do you think there is to God? Like how do you think the world and every thing in it came to be? Don’t feel obligated to answer, I’m just interested :)</p>
<p>Guys, don’t hate on TrueLove. Different people have different beliefs, and it’s not “stupid” to believe what he/she believes. Sure, you may not like it, but why take so much effort to convince him/her?</p>
<p>@ChocolateBanana, oh sorry! I didn’t mean to come across as accusing you of accusing me lol. I was just clarifying something that I didn’t make earlier but you happened to bring it up.</p>
<p>^^I don’t think I’m hating. I think most of us are just having a discussion–and it’s not necessarily to convince him/her (impressions are of a girl, but IDK…). Can we not discuss reasonably?</p>
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<p>Risks and rewards of different options are never polar opposites of each other. Its possible to have less risk and equal or higher rewards, or more risk and less rewards. So its never going to ensure going back to engaging in sex as it is an infinite variable choice, so while it is negative in one variable that does not reflect changes in all the rest.</p>
<p>OK, maybe the jewish kid can contribute. </p>
<p>I’m fine with premartial sex, as long as i’m responsible (no STDs, condoms, no random hook-ups, don’t use girls for sex)</p>
<p>I personally don’t care one way or another how everyone else is doing it.</p>
<p>BUT…Truelove…wow. </p>
<p>whatever, its your life, and i have to admire your principles, even if i think they are ridiculous.</p>
<p>P.S. Do you “love” Jesus, or are you “in love” with Jesus (reference: the South Park episode)</p>
<p>@punkchique: Alright, it’s all good :)</p>
<p>Not to be an attention whore or anything, but I can’t believe nobody responded to the post about Hitler.</p>
<p>Call me weird, but the idea of sex is just…gross. You’re sticking one urinating organ inside another. Even worse, mini mindless screaming parasites could come out of the latter as a result. Seriously, guys? :rolleyes:</p>
<p>And to chip into the religious debate here:</p>
<p>What is moral is what you feel good after, and what is immoral is what you feel bad after.
-Ernest Hemingway</p>
<p>^Yeah, I think that quote is stupid.</p>
<p>Why do people eat (for the most part), because food tastes good.</p>
<p>Why do people have sex, because it feels good.</p>
<p>Who cares about whats in the burger or parts, its the end result people care about.</p>
<p>Yes, my analogy is quite odd.</p>