Presidential Scholars Question

<p>bballdude,
In MI, 2007, there were 55 candidates.
17 with ACT 36 (total score144,143,142) and
145 kids with ACT 35 (total score 141,140,139,138).</p>

<p>One needs to know the curve for the spread of 145 kids between 141, 140, 139 and 138.</p>

<p>scenario #1 (steep curve)
10 kids with 141
20 kids with 140
40 kids with 139
75 kids with 138</p>

<p>scenario #2 (flat curve)
25 kids with 141
35 kids with 140
40 kids with 139
45 kids with 138</p>

<p>If scenario #1 is the way the scores are spread, there is pretty good chance that 140 may get selected. But it is hard to know.</p>

<p>Ijmom: how did you find out the scores for MI? I know the names and winners for my state, but not the scores.</p>

<p>The steep curve is more reflective of scores as a whole...
We don't know the scores; I just happened to know one kid with a 140.
Unfortunately, scores have been higher across the board this year.</p>

<p>J'adoube
I got the information from
ACT</a> National and State Scores for 2007: Average ACT Scores by State
Select the state. Open the report for MI, which is a pdf file
Page 12 has the the ACT scores for all students (total number of kids in MI:78,135).</p>

<p>Use these numbers just as a guide... the numbers for 2008 could be very different.
You will know by Jan 17. Good luck!</p>

<p>Is Jan. 17 when the next batch of numbers come out?</p>

<p>You have to take into account that a large number of people only take the SAT and those scores need to be converted to ACT scores and that the window to take the test is form Sept 05 to Oct 07 so you have to add two years worth of 36s and 35s plus the SAT equivalents. I haven't been able to find how many people score 1600 SATs by state.</p>

<p>J'adoube,
I though about those..how many SAT conversions are missing etc.
I have no idea about the total numberof HS kids who took either SAT or ACT.
According to ACT they are reporting for 1,300,599 (national).
Therefore, ACT data may represents a very large sample.
[I have seen somewhere that about 1,450,000 takes the PSAT... just to get an indication about number of kids per year.]</p>

<p>Also, as I understand there are <250 SAT takers who had total score of 2400 from a single sitting (national). I may be wrong on this..that is what I reacall reading some where. I don't have facts to prove this. There may be a lot of kids with 1600s but, they only consider one sitting.</p>

<p>With regards to covering two year window for ACT, it doesn't matter the window they cover. They drop the duplicate test results and consider only one ACT test (single sitting) per student. </p>

<p>In any case, we are just making predictions here with limited numbers of the facts avialble to us. We'll know in a few days.</p>

<p>My D has 140 from CA.</p>

<p>@Ijmom: Why do you say in a few days?? Is the list going to be out soon? Do letters come before the list is posted?
@J'adoube: The pdf says it is for 2007 seniors, which means that it doesn't matter what year they took the test. At least, that is how I interpret it.
EDIT: J'adoube, it actually says on page 4 of the pdf that the scores are for seniors who took the test as sophomores, juniors, and seniors.</p>

<p>Nationwide, there were about 1200 single-sitting 1600 scores on SAT for 2007 college bound seniors. I have never seen the M+CR aggregate data by state, though.</p>

<p>seems high...</p>

<p>Less (people) is more (chances). Good.</p>

<p>For Florida there were 7 36s and 74 35s. Last year they picked 43 including the 4 for art.</p>

<p>Good luck to everybody</p>

<p>only 74 35's? wow I thought florida was academically stronger than that.
Are they big on the SAT?</p>

<p>81527 took the ACT (54%) 97366 took the SAT</p>

<p>Results are out Jan 17?</p>

<p>OH, I just realized something. The cutoff for men and women differ. The 141 ACT cutoff I was talking about was for girls in Michigan as someone was talking about in a different thread (<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/high-school-life/427791-presidential-scholars-award-whatever-you-call-2.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/high-school-life/427791-presidential-scholars-award-whatever-you-call-2.html&lt;/a&gt;). That person who had told me it was 141 was talking about her daughter and her friends so I guess that makes sense. Hopefully the men in MI didnt get smarter this year so that it stays at 140 :-).</p>

<p>The Prez Scholars website confirms that applications for candidates will be mailed Jan. 17.</p>

<p>Yea it does, but when will they post online? That's the real question...sorta</p>

<p>I guess whomever makes it will know by Saturday (I don't think they'll post the list until most people get the notification by mail. This is the US Govt: they own the mail system)</p>

<p>The list of 2008 Candidates is up.</p>

<p>Looks like you needed a 36 if you were a male in Michigan, since my friend who has a 35-35-35-36 combo is not a Candidate. Yikes!</p>

<p>where do u go to see this?</p>

<p>nvm
<a href="http://www.ed.gov/programs/psp/2008/candidates.doc%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.ed.gov/programs/psp/2008/candidates.doc&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>