Prestige or Best Deal?

I’ve been accepted to UCSD and UCSB (both of which are great for pre meds - particularly UCSD with the research and nearby hospitals). I was also accepted to NC State. Obviously one would say why is she even posting this, go to a UC school, duh. But both the UC’s will cost me 55k whereas at NC State I’ve basically gotten a full ride. My dilemma here is should I go to a UC to gain all of that research and prestigious education andbw in A LOT of debt or go to NC State that has a mediocre at best science department (research and opportunities wise)?

I just want to go to the school that will help me the most and look the best on my application to medical school but also not be in debt.

Take the full ride to NC State and don’t look back.

In another thread, you mentioned being a resident of North Carolina. Take the full ride at NCSU and enjoy the relatively easier travel to your NC public medical schools for interviews.

UCSD is probably the worst among all the UC’s for pre-med with large classes, harsh grading and fierce competition. You need to talk to current UCSD pre-med students to find out the truth.

@Erinoflin
We moved from CA to NC so my kiddos could attend NC public in-state universities!!! My oldest had the same UC acceptances as you plus a few others. We moved after her first year so she could attend NC State!! NCSU has a vet school that easily rivals UC Davis.

My younger son holds 2 degrees in microbiology and biochemistry with a genetics minor from NCSU. He applied to med school and had several med school acceptances including some ivy’s and various others. When getting 1 med school acceptance is wonderful he had numerous. He matriculated to UNC-CH with in-state rates. He was also awarded a full-tuition scholarship plus stipend for all of med school at UNC. He was also able to complete his MBA in their joint program MD/MBA which offers a shortened time frame. In addition to this he was awarded a full fellowship for his MBA at Carolina.

Harvard, Michigan, Dartmouth and Cornell also offered the joint programs, however, after financial aid their offers were far-outmatched by UNC. By tens of thousands. Also along with Harvard, UNC’s MPH is one of the best. UNC also offers a joint MD/MPH. UNC is currently ranked #1 for primary care.

As a NC resident you will get preference at UNC for med school and ECU’s med school ONLY takes NC residents. Take a look at ECU med school tuition and every other med school.

A full-ride at NCSU is a GIFT. A HUGE GIFT. Don’t waste what has been offered to you. If you continue as a pre-med at NCSU really go over the course catalog and get a good feel for your professors and lab instructors. Son was able to do research and was a TA within the genetics and microbiology dept. that later wrote his LOR for med school and was published as an undergrad within those departments.

Getting into med school is based on what YOU accomplish not the school you attend for undergrad. GPA, sGPA, MCAT score, EC, shadowing and volunteering is what get you in.

If you need more help just ask. There are many on this board who have kiddos who were very successful with their med school matriculation.

Kat

Congrats on your acceptances at UCSD and UCSB. What got you those acceptances was much, much more about your hs efforts than where you attended hs. Same with med school. You will start college with a clean slate and what will make you “look the best” to medical schools is much more, much more about your efforts at any of the above colleges, not the name of school at top of your diploma.

As to your focus on research: do you have some interest in research or do you simply think “research” has to appear on an application to make it competitive? Unless you have goal of going to a med school that is strong in research, just to have “research” listed on a med school application is not of high importance to med schools. For most med schools, they probably don’t care. Spending time helping less fortunate people (activities that should be easy to find at any of your 3 school choices) is something that would go a longer way to impressing most med schools than just box checking “research.”
https://www.aamc.org/download/462316/data/mcatguide.pdf
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Also consider that med school application process takes a year meaning that if you expect to start med school after your senior year, you will have apply in summer after your junior year. Although not unheard of, it can be quite difficult to stay on top of academics, have social life, etc and engage in a meaningful “research” activity/activities that could be listed on an application submitted after your third year. Again spending time helping less fortunate people (activities that should be easy to find at any of your 3 school choices) is something that would go a longer way to impressing most med schools than just box checking “research.”

I’ve always tried to avoid disclosure about S, but I’ll let you in on a little secret. In another one of your threads, I mentioned a story about a MD’s first day in a crowded premed class. I’ve had many discussions with this MD about the insane competition for premeds at UCSD. The MD I mentioned is my S, a UCSD graduate. Most of the premeds he started with were onto Plan Bs by end of first year, some as early as second quarter. The size of premed classes, the crumbs of As that professors handed out, the speed of the quarter system tended to be premed dream crushers at UCSD. Not to brag but S was strong hs student, getting acceptances at both UCLA and UCSB as well. He finished first year at UCSD with GPAs below 3.2, quite the slap to the side of the head for someone who had done so well in hs. It took quite a bit of soul searching and effort to overcome this slow start.
http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/pre-med-topics/2135511-ucsd-vs-usf-med.html

As a note none of hs friends who went to UCLA were premed, but he had 4/5 hs friends who started as premeds at UCSB. None of them made it to med school. No doubt there are many successful premeds at all UCs, but most that start never apply, and of those that do apply and get accepted, most will attend med school OOS.

“UCs will cost me 55k.” Although that figure might be current COA, count on it increasing in next 4 years and it doesn’t take into consideration cross country travel, travel for med school interviews, etc. As I remember UCSD only guarantees on campus housing for 2 years, meaning you’ll have to move out into surrounding often high cost areas, further adding to COA. You will be lucky if you graduate from UCSD with only 250k in debt. Adding to 4 years of med school, residency 3-5 years, 2+ years if you subspecialize, you will not begin earn enough to pay down debt (college/med school) in any meaningful well until into your 30s.

Premed is hard everywhere. Most who start change their minds and of those that apply, 60% will not start at any med school. If you become a successful premed, congratulations, it’s quite the accomplishment. But if you change your mind for any reason, why would you want the UC debt following you around. I am certainly not trying to deter you from pursuing your dreams. And I would agree that UCSD is a really good school. But FWIW, all things considered, I’d modify your OP to “… go to NC State, the free ride, duh.” Good luck.

Also, the $220k+ that you will save by taking the full ride at NCSU can be used to pay for medical school costs. If you attend a lower cost medical school like ECU as an NC resident, that may pay for most or all of the costs; at a more typical medical school, that may pay for half to two thirds of the costs. Either way, you will have much lower debt than you would have if you spent the money on undergraduate. Higher debt for a new MD will constrain your career and life choices, forcing you to chase the short term money at every decision, instead of being able to consider options that may pay somewhat less or have a delayed financial reward.

Frankly, as an Californian, we do not view UCs are really “prestige” schools, UCB, UCLA and UCSD graduates are dime a dozen in CA, some Bio graduates cannot find a job and is working in the Mall as sales. There are plenty of successful graduates, but overall, too many of them around.

We always advice OOS students should not come to UC, you will not get a dime from them and you will be paying some thing like Ivy League tuition, but become a cattle with a number in the bunch. The lower level class could have up to 500 students in a class and you are graded by TAs. And because of budget cuts, it is entirely possible to graduate in 5 years.

Stay in NC and enjoy full ride.

The vast majority of high school graduates, who start out wanting to go to medical school; don’t go there. What you don’t want is an albatross of debt hanging around your neck if you decide you have a passion for something else. Even if you do decide to do medical school, it’s very expensive, and high levels of undergraduate debt will hurt you. I think the decision is a no-brainer. Take the scholarship.

NCSU is a very well-known school; take the scholarship, avoid the debt. This will give you many, many options later.

UCSB and UCSD are also state schools. You would be paying 220k for the weather. The schools will be much tougher grades wise for a premed since California as a whole offers the most competitive premed environment.

Full ride!