<p>"I believe that most of that difference has to do with sports."</p>
<p>I am sure it plays a part in the difference, however I disagree that it explains most of the total difference. How many students do we actually have on scholarship with sub-1000 SAT's (only the football team, and a small number on the basketball teams)? Also don't these students count as summer admits, and why do they hurt our entering FTIC stats?</p>
<p>Look at the numbers and you will see that their is some shisty stuff going down with the Admissions Department.</p>
<p>Here is where this whole argument fell apart last time.</p>
<p>From Toms 2004-2006 data: </p>
<p>1324(Asian SAT) - 1187(Black SAT) = 137 point spread by race. </p>
<p>My contention is that the main difference in the SAT numbers is the importance that UF gives to athletics.
The NCAA qualifying score to play Div. 1 sports is an 820 if you have a 2.5 GPA.</p>
<p>Since the admit rates betweens blacks and Asians is about the same at 8%
this would translate into approximately 512 total black and 512 total Asian admits for an accepted class of 6,400.</p>
<p>Using Toms numbers the average black SAT is 1187 of which the NCAA (and I would imagine UF) accepts an SAT of 820.
I would guess the SAT numbers for most athletes from ALL RACES is probably closer to the SAT of 820 to maintain a nationally competitive sports program.</p>
<p>Just looking thru the UF team photos I see HUNDREDS of black athletes. I would venture to guess that there are but a handful of Asian athletes at UF.</p>
<p>So it comes down to this:
Since the accepted classes are about the same for both races, does the disproportionate amount of black athletes as compared to Asian athletes skew the SAT numbers?
At such low acceptance (512) numbers I believe it does. There may be a small gap in comparing non-athletes but its probably not the 137 points he was trying to sensationalize in his post.</p>
<p>Sounds like your real problem may be with the "black athlete" getting into UF.
Then again I would think that the majority of UF students and alumni that follow these teams have absolutely no problem with it.</p>
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By admission standards, I mean that all of the schools should use the same methodology in their admission process; ie, specifice perentage for scores, gpa, extra currics, essay, etc. If these are state funded institutions they should be held to some sort of regulation. Of course, some schools will be harder to get into (based on their tier) but at least the playing fields will be level.
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<p>The methodology should not be the same. Each school has a different mission and they should model their admission standards accordingly.</p>
<p>It would be easy to blame this disparity on the athletes who attend the Universty of Florida and close the book on the argument. However I feel it is incumbent upon the people who truly care about the well-being of the University of Florida to look into this matter further. Watch, watch, and watch these fringe-left admission policies, because I know we are crusing at full speed into the same relentless agenda that is being pushed at UCLA. </p>
<p>The thing is we all know the Admissions Department is pushing this agenda. About 2 years back a New York Times article talked about President Machen's desire to make this institution more diverse, and he was throwing out alot of class-warfare rhetoric as well. This is a big part of his legacy, and I don't really have a problem with that, I just want to make sure with have a fair and equitable way of going about that transition.</p>
<p>SSobick
I think we can all say that we have the best interest of the universty in mind when we debate all these issues.
Are there issues with the admission process. Probably
Is the admission process the culprit that is holding back UF n becoming more selective in the USNWR rankings. Probably not.
Right now UF seems to be stuck in a rut around the high 40's.</p>
<p>IMHO it's the Peer Assesment, Class size, faculty resourses that is holding UF back.</p>
<p>You could have a full class come in with perfect 1600/2400 SAT's and UF would rise probably to around #45.
Why? because the SAT is only worth 7.5% of the total score.</p>
<p>We need to refocus our energies to fix those problems that are hurting UF the most.</p>
<p>I do however agree that even with a "holistic" admissions approach we need transparency.
They should be clearly defining the importance of each admission criteria.
FSU seems to provide this info in the link helpfullmom provided. Don't see the same provided in the UF CDS</p>
<p>^ Thanks for your response, and I agree we need more transparency in the future.</p>
<p>I would venture to guess that we are probably on difference sides of the political fence, however we still have the same overall goal. We both really want the University of Florida to become a Top-10 public University, and I think we are going to get there eventually. Just wanted to state: that in no way, shape or form am I resentful of the athletic department at the University of Florida (UAA). They have created tremendous publicity for this flagship university, and they have given over $45 million from their privately funded budget to support academics at the University of Florida (since 1990). The UAA could very well be one of the most generous athletic departments in the USA.</p>
<p>Holistic admissions is a fallacy. I mentioned in a supplemental how my rank and unweighted GPA did not reflect my potential, because of certain health circumstances. I had to drop my advance placement and Honor courses (for one semester), but APs are cumulative and you cannot start them in the middle of the year. I thought the universities would of been understanding, but Florida schools did not seem to care. I was accepted to both FSU and UCF, but flat out denied by UF. Out of state schools were much more understanding, as I got direct admission to U of Mass, U of Maryland, and U of Washington.</p>
<p>One thing that I regret is not applying to some competitive private schools (Emory, Wash U, Carnegie Mellon, UChicago) as a freshmen, because from my understanding, they take unusual circumstances into deeper emphasis when evaluating their applicants, as it is not as much as a numbers game, as they do not have quotas to fill.</p>
<p>I am a UF Alumni and a Conservative Activist. I also want to remind everyone that AA is outlawed in the state of Florida. Since 2000 we do not play that game anymore.</p>
<p>Alumni is plural. You are an alumnus. Are you an activist in Florida? What kind of "activism" do you participate in other than running your mouth on a discussion board?</p>