**PSAT Discussion Thread 2015**

@michigangeorgia, it is pretty good practice to set up an email account you and your kids can both access, and start using it for all college app related activities. Will save your bacon when emails come about FAFSA changes, saying that apps are missing items, etc. that your kids may not understand and not think important to forward to you.

@Plotinus aren’t the scores on page 3 converted scores?

@MichiganGeorgia my D3 did the same thing and hopefully that won’t mess things up (my college freshman also gave them my e-mail address). I think you plug in the access code to access PSAT scores and setting up a college board account is a different process. At least I’m hoping :slight_smile:

@intparent - AMEN. Especially with FAFSA. Once the kid is accepted and enrolled they can then get their own college e-mail address for their non-FAFSA college-y stuff.

I’m not sure why they bother to create a fictionalized report with information that doesn’t even at least attempt to match actual scoring. If you look at the CB released test on Khan, the scoring has radically different outcomes.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/KA-share/sat/scoring-psat-nmsqt-practice-test-1.pdf According to that report, missing 4 on math is a 750.

That discrepancy is just ridiculous. Fictionalized or otherwise. In business reality, wouldn’t you expect ballpark matching info? (Can I just say I am unimpressed with the level of professionalism. If my kids turned in something like that for an assignment, I would flunk it!)

All I know is that the test on page 4 has 39/47 Reading, 34/44 writing, and 44/48 Math questions correct. If you put these numbers into the score curves provided with the Official PSAT Practice Test, you get Reading and Language 630, Math 740. While some variation in curves from one test to another is normal, not that much variation. Page 4 cannot refer to the same test as pages 2 and 3.

@intparent - Thanks. I actually have a gmail account for the Junior it forwards to my email… We couldn’t use mine for either the ACT or SAT. Since my account was already used. Anyway I forgot to tell him about it. But I should set one up for the Freshman.

Ugh. S2 also said he wrote in my email address. I hope this doesn’t mean I’m going to get spammed by college advertising.

@mamelot - That’s what I am hoping too. DS17 already has a college board account. I can see his old PSAT scores and his SAT score from June. But my DS19 doesn’t have an account so I’m not sure how that’s going to work…

@Plotinus perhaps you are correct, but they certainly are not going to provide the answers to the Practice PSAT on the example. They are supposed to be different tests. At best it’s a very poor example (@Mom2aphysicsgeek’s point).

Others have pointed out on this thread that it makes no sense to plug raw scores from one test (be it practice, exemplary or other) into the scaling of another test. Each test will have varying levels of difficulty on a given section, as we all know from history. Yes, the converted scores in this case are not based directly on actual history - this stuff is likely all implied at this point. But still . . . don’t get in the practice.

@GMTplus7, don’t worry - you will. That’s precisely why D3 gave them my e-mail address. She doesn’t want all that stuff going into her box, and she knows I can “sort” through it all much faster. I also use it as a very rough indicator of selectivity so I don’t mind.

Yes you will get a lot of emails. There are a lot of colleges I have never heard of before that for some reason think would perfect for my kid.lol

One more thing I found interesting. At my sons school if you are Junior or a freshman you pay $20 to take the test. All sophomores have to take it. Usually very few freshman and a lot of Juniors take the test. This year over 70% of the freshman took it (so ruffly 280 freshman) and less than 20 Juniors took it or maybe 5%… Obviously the Juniors at my sons school have decided to drop the SAT this year and are focusing on the ACT and here’s the thing we always have over 25 kids on the commended list and now less than that took it. So I’m wondering how the cutoff is going to work if a lot of schools don’t have many kids taking it to start with.

Another thing I noticed on that sample score report is that the student omitted two problems one each in reading and writing and neither was the last problem. Why in the world would a kid not guess since there is no penalty for incorrect answers?

From experience, you will.

“Others have pointed out on this thread that it makes no sense to plug raw scores from one test (be it practice, exemplary or other) into the scaling of another test . . . don’t get in the practice.”

Of course you can’t get an exact score using a curve from another test, but you can get an estimate that is valid within a certain range. It is inconceivable that curves could vary several hundred points from one test to another.

Moreover, if 4 wrong equals Math 480, then each wrong question is worth 70 points! Oops Mom, I made 2 sign errors and lost 140 points…

CB definitely made up a fictitious student who took TWO tests. Nice catch, @Mom2aphysicsgeek.

If CB can’t create a ballpark scaled report based on their own released sample test, would that not be highlighting a rather significant problem?

I disagree with the suggestion that they can’t and didn’t. I think @plotinus 's explanation makes the most sense. I think the error is in the scoring sheet page.

Aren’t the March scores scheduled to be released in May? CB needs a bigger sample.

@Mom2aphysicsgeek the PDF for scoring the PSAT Practice Test #1 and the Answer Explanations basically replicate all the info. in the “Score Report” and actually provide more detail for each answer.

@Plotinus I would agree w/r/t real tests where the law of large #'s applies and if it was known that the degree of difficulty didn’t swing from test date to next test date. 18 months ago or so ACT started tinkering with some of their subsections and didn’t really announce it - math one test date, reading on another, then the next spring the science section. . . and kids were caught off guard and that will naturally affect the scaling. This is why I recommend NOT using the results of one test to score another - you don’t really know the circumstances of that particular test. Especially now given the high volume of prep companies, test prep materials and so forth teaching kids all the little tricks of the trade presumably to eliminate surprises, it’s smart to expect ACT or CB to throw a monkey wrench into the works now and then.

Further evidence that the CB PSAT Your Score Report is a botched document:

On page 3, “Your Scores Next Steps” the descriptions of the skills that correspond to Reading and Wiring/Language are reversed. For example, Reading has “Revise text as needed,” whereas Writing and Language has “Draw reasonable conclusions from somewhat challenging texts.”

I think we can see the document was a rushed job that needs further editing.

@JuicyMango @FutureMMAChamp I’m just a super fast reader. I only guessed on about 3ish questions.

@Plotinus Wonder what that says about basing assessments on speed completed? :wink:

This info may have been posted further up the thread…

"What’s the New PSAT Score Range?

Gone is the old PSAT score range of 60 to 240. The new PSAT will be scored on a scale from 320 to 1520.

Math will actually count for one half of this composite score, and the Reading and Writing (which will be called Writing and Language) sections will count for the other half together.You’ll get subscores for Math, Reading, and Writing and Language between 8 and 38. Then Reading and Writing will be considered together, and Math will make up for the other half.

To get your Math scaled score, you simply multiply your section score by 20. A score of 30 on math, for instance, would convert to a scaled score of 600 (30 x 20 = 600).

To get your Reading and Writing score, which again are combined, you add each section score and multiply by 10."

For each section, you could get a minimum scaled score of 160 and a maximum of 760.

The new SAT will be scored between 800 and 1600. The PSAT scale is shifted slightly lower to account for the fact that it’s a slightly easier test than the SAT.

While a 1520 on the PSAT doesn’t necessarily equate to a 1600 on the SAT, it still suggests you’ll get a very strong score.

http://blog.prepscholar.com/psat-score-range

Looks like the employee(s) who put together that sample score report were rather rushed. Kind of like the kids taking their test, though they always claim time is not an issue.

I think it’s interesting that complete scoring information isn’t included in the printed materials they gave the kids. Probably that wasn’t ready in time either. Maybe that is why there is so much confusion on how to calculate the scores.