<p>The original list by Richard Moll were the following eight schools. People may have a different idea of what they think public ivies are but this was the original published list from 1985:</p>
<p>College of William and Mary
Miami University in Oxford, Ohio
University of California, Berkeley
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
University of Texas at Austin
University of Vermont
University of Virginia </p>
<p>I'll let everyone else rank them... </p>
<p>That's just the old list, just like the Ivies aren't the best schools either, that was a coined turn with an actual book and a thorough list, take it or leave it, but this is what it was.</p>
<p>And pretty much, those are the best overall publics with a few exceptions, but you have the same issue with the Ivy League, Brown is in there, Stanford is not.</p>
<p>Harvard - UCB (best overall reputation)
Yale - UMich (Best Law school & Music theatre among publics)
(Top in almost every fields - B-school, Medical, Engineering,....)
Princeton - UVA
UPenn - UCLA (Top in Business,Medical & Law School, Located in big city)
Dartmouth - UNC
Brown - W&M
Cornell - UIUC (Top in Engineering)
Columbia - ?
???????? - UWisc</p>
<p>Ivies are ivies because they're selective...none of my HS classmates who are going to UW for out of state (about 5 of them) got in UVa (they all applied, all in state)........</p>
<p>if you are talking about graduate school faculty, then UW can be on par with schools like Duke or Columbia....but we're talking about undergrad here.</p>
<p>Cornell=Wisconsin Very strong in sciences, agriculture, and engineering with very solid liberal arts. Professional schools solid but less well known.</p>
<p>As noted above, the term "Public Ivy" is mythical and was coined as part of the ongoing attempt to rank schools. </p>
<p>The term Ivy League itself has similarly taken on mythical connotation. The Ivy League is an athletic conference. there are 8 schools that belong to it. </p>
<p>The only thing "shared" by this "alliance" is that they follow certain recruiting and related guidelines pertinent to sports. By way of major example, although they are D-1 schools, they tend to operate more under D-3 guidelines i.e. no athletic scholarships, etc.</p>
<p>Ivy league schools do not share other academic standards, resources, guidelines, etc. They are simply in the same athletic conference. Thus Brown is not connected magically to Harvard, nor Yale to Dartmouth, etc. By way of comparision, Stanford is a Pac-10 school and has that relationship and, effectively no other to the remaining conference members (Cal, USC, UCLA, U of Ariz, etc.)</p>
<p>Ivy League has become a term that is simply overused and misused in judging and ranking colleges and assessing their relative worth which, IMO, is simply too subjective a process to ultimately be of any real value.</p>
<p>I am really surprised that UCSD doesn't hit this list more often. If you define a school by having an Ivy type feel, then Virgina and William and Mary are perfect. Those that look like Ivies, are on the East Coast, all of those things. But if the definition is based on most similar academic prowess, not experience (public schools are so much larger that this seems to be a bad way of comapring), then you would end up with a very different list. UVA would be on both along with William and Mary, but certianly Miami University in Ohio would not. It surpises me that schools like UCLA and UCSD which are such academic powerhouses aren't on a lot of these lists. (Granted UCLA is on much more that UCSD). But the shanghai rankings just put UCSD has 13th in the world, based on academics how could it not be?</p>
<p>Also, all of the Ivies except Cornell were apart of the colonial colleges. There were nine:</p>
<p>Harvard College (Harvard University)
Yale College (Yale University)
College of New Jersey (Princeton University)
College of Pennsylvania (University of Pennsylvania)<br>
King's College (Columbia University)
Rhode Island College (Brown University)
Queen's College (Rutgers University)
Dartmouth College </p>
<p>It's interesting that 7 out of 9 formed the Ivy League, Rutgers was informally considered a member but droppedout of the organization before it was formalized. Williams & Mary would be an Ivy, however, it rarely competed with the other colonial colleges during the time and also seriously declined academically compared to the others, eventually closing its doors, in the late 19th century. </p>
<p>So both schools did have chances to become apart of the Ivy League, but neither did.</p>
<p>Yeah215, that was just the original list, just like Ivy Leaguee school seen derogatory in it reputation as being the best, if that were true, Brown & Dartmouth would be out and Stanford & MIT would be in.</p>
<p>One somewhat unique thing about the Big 10 schools is that they share both sports and academics. The CIC which also includes former Big 10 member Chicago is one of the main reasons Penn State wanted into the Big 10.</p>
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The term Ivy League itself has similarly taken on mythical connotation. The Ivy League is an athletic conference. there are 8 schools that belong to it. </p>
<p>The only thing "shared" by this "alliance" is that they follow certain recruiting and related guidelines pertinent to sports. By way of major example, although they are D-1 schools, they tend to operate more under D-3 guidelines i.e. no athletic scholarships, etc.</p>
<p>Ivy league schools do not share other academic standards, resources, guidelines, etc. They are simply in the same athletic conference.
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I believe that the last couple sentences are incorrect ... the ivies also have agreed upon many academic approached ... for example, as a group they have agreed to not provide merit scholarships of any type (athletic or otherwise). In the extreme they got sued by the feds for conspiring to "fix prices" (they shared info on financial aid packages to applicants). The IVY league is an athletic conference but the ties go well beyond sports.</p>
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KFC4U, roughly 1,000 of Michigan's 24,000 undergrads come from California.
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<p>true, and when i typed up my example, i tried to avoid michigan. although its actual quality among most people who aren't considering michigan is kind of blurred (how good is it exactly?), it's reputation as "the school ranked in between UCB and UCLA" kind of helps gauge where it stands. michigan football does help; i went to the mall today and besides the california and local universities, there's also apparel from UNC, michigan, texas, and notre dame. </p>
<p>(i realized i used UNC as an example earlier, but most people out west don't recognize it for its academics but rather its athletics)</p>
<p>To add to the confusion, the "Ivy Deans" that meet to discuss educational issues (such as grade inflation, etc.) comprise the 8 Ivies plus UChicago, MIT, & Stanford.</p>
<p>Ugh! Get anywhere near Rutgers' campus, get anything from them in the mail, or read anything about them and you won't be able to stop them from shoving the "Public Ivy" thing down your throat.</p>
<p>I think it's funny how they're like, "Oh we beat Princeton in the first collegiate football game." I love Rutgers and everything, but woah are you trying to brag about ONE football game or WHAT?</p>
<p>The Eight Original "Public Ivy's" have been correctly listed before, but I'll list the ORIGINAL PUBLIC IVY's AGAIN: Here Goes:</p>
<p>The College Of William and Mary
Miami University in Oxford Ohio
University of California
University of Michigan at Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
University of Texas at Austin
University of Vermont
University of Virginia</p>
<p>Now they did list a SECOND TIER, but these are the original schools as the term was coined, and they still stand as the original first tier of Public Ivy's. There are no suprises on this list. This has always been common knowlegde. The only conflict I see is when somebody sees a school that they THINK should be included in this list. This is the list, folks. When the question of the 8 public Ivy's comes up, here is the only answer!</p>