<p><em>LOL, but Stanford is an Ivy League school, it's just out west, why is Dartmouth on there, they don't even have a any good PhD programs</em></p>
<p>Also, Barrons, Rutgers Dean of Admissions even said it, Rutgers was there competing with the Ivy League teams before it even came to fruition. The only colonial school that was not in that circle of athletic competition was William & Mary.</p>
<p>Rutgers, IVY LEAGE Haaaaahaaahahahahahahahahahahahahah!</p>
<p>There is a real good reason why WMrocks has an elitist attitude.......Everyone has heard about The College of William and Mary. And if they don't, well that just speaks volumes. The University of Wisconsin is a joke when compared to William and Mary. Anyone would agree. Look at the caliber of students who are admitted. Look at Wisconsins Common Data Set...............there is no comparison to William and Mary. Furthermore athletics has NOTHING to do with an IVY league discussion. Where in the *** is Wisconsin anyway. Don't they make cheese there????????????Lots of cows, etc.</p>
<p>Quoting directly from William and Mary's own website:</p>
<p>"About William and Mary
Rankings and Polls </p>
<p>Although polls, rankings and guidebooks cannot fully capture the character of any educational institution, they do provide useful indications of the quality that students can expect. For years, the academic excellence of the College of William and Mary has been widely recognized by the growing raft of magazines and guidebooks that annually rank American colleges and universities. From the U.S. News and World Report to Barron's, William and Mary and its programs are listed among the nation's strongest. </p>
<p>U. S. News and World Report </p>
<p>WM ranked sixth among all public universities (2005)
WM ranked 44th among national universities that offer the best value (2005)
WM ranked 31st overall among the nation's best universities (2005)
WM ranked 16th in graduation rates for national universities (2005)
The School of Law ranked 27th in the nation (2005)
The School of Education's graduate program ranked 45th in the nation (2005)
The doctoral program in American colonial history ranked 2nd in the nation (2001)
WM ranked the top public institution in the nation in terms of commitment to teaching *
...
Financial Times (2004)
WM School of Business ranked tied for 49th in international rankings and the Executive MBA program ranked 33rd in the nation.
WM School of Business ranked 26th for value for money in international rankings..."</p>
<p>Seems to me W&M is very proud of its own rankings in general. Does this sounds like an Ivy-caliber school? ... "well that just speaks volumes."</p>
<p>In summary, William and Mary and UVA will always and forever be the leaders of the public pack.</p>
<p>I am waiting for Barrons reply to this comment....</p>
<p>Another bit of news for Barron to contemplate. </p>
<p>The Assoicated Press released this article on 8/22/05. It seems that the University of Wisconsin, Madison has indeed reached the top of a list. Here goes:</p>
<p>The University of Wisconsin, Madison topped a list of the nations best party schools released Monday, despite a decade long effort by the school to reduce it's reputation for being a heavy drinking school. </p>
<p>GoBlue, thanks for repeating those outstanding stats for my school! Man, convocation was awesome, walking through the Wren building was amazing.</p>
<p>UW--70 NAS members W&M Any??
UW 44 major faculty awards such as Guggengeims in last year---tied for 1st among all publics--WM a couple</p>
<p>UW numerous (18) Nobel winning alums and faculty--WM any??</p>
<p>UW 4th rated US public in latest world rankings WM ??</p>
<p>UW libraries nearly 8 Million volumes one of the 10 best U libraries in the US---WM Below 100th</p>
<p>UW alums tied with Harvard for most CEO's in US major companies</p>
<p>UW third highest in research funding of all US U's.</p>
<p>UW among top schools for patents and inventions in the US including first to isolate and manufacture stem cells. Made cover of TIME magazine. Other inventions cured rickets which used to disable 1000's of children, anti-coagulent drug Warfarin saved millions of heart attack victims and rid cities and countries of rat infestations, UW profs designed the Social Security system for FDR. UW designed the first weather satellite for NASA. The list goes on and on.</p>
<p>Thanks??? I must be losing my touch... Anyway, you're obviously proud of W&M's stats too...enuf said.</p>
<p>To give equal time for Wisconsin, here's what the Badgers are proud of:</p>
<p>"Why Wisconsin
Students choose Wisconsin for many different reasons. Here are just a few...</p>
<p>Exceptional Academics:
- 9 undergraduate schools offering more than 160 majors and 4,200 courses
- 70 academic programs ranked in the nation's top 10 (U.S. News & World Report)
- Opportunities to study abroad, participate in honors programs, complete an internship, conduct hands-on research, and take service-learning courses
- National ranking of 7th among public universities (U.S. News & World Report) ...</p>
<p>Inspiring Students, Faculty, and Alumni:
- 28,200 undergraduates from every county in Wisconsin, all 50 states, and more than 100 countries
- 16 percent of students study abroad, ranking Wisconsin sixth among U.S. colleges in the number of students who study overseas
- 2,000 faculty members who are both recognized scholars and committed to classroom teaching
- Ranked second (to Harvard) in the number of professors who have won prestigious awards and grants (The Top American Research Universities)
- 349,000 alumni living around the world
- Tied with Harvard for producing the most CEOs (Bloomberg Markets)
- 17 Nobel Prize-winners and 29 Pulitzer Prize-winners who have taught or studied at Wisconsin ..."</p>
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Barrons,
I live in Texas and everyone single one of my friends has heard of UNC and UVA...they are just so well-known, as opposed to WM.
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<p>are you serious... tell your friends to pay attention to something other than ESPN.</p>
<p>I don't really know where this UW v. WM argument started, but one of the most important, if not THE most important, thing about W&M is that the professors want to teach undergrads. They don't look at it as hard labor that must be pressed through to get back into the labratory. Heads of Departments teach intro classes. The new President of the school is teaching a freshman class. There's an intro to macro econ class this semester with 15 students in it. This is the lure of W&M</p>
<p>I'm sorry but it's just not a commonly known school. And UVA is NOT known for its athletics...</p>
<p>The University of Virginia ranked 23 this year tied with Georgetown, it beat UCLA, UMich, UNC and W&M. W&M ranked 31 and Wisconsin ranked 34. UVA is clearly better according to that magazine and every other rank, so suck it up and repeat after me "I can't compare UW to Mr. Jefferson's university, I can't compare UW to Mr. Jefferson's University..."</p>
<p>Oh and btw I'm sorry...as a freshman taking chemistry class with 500 other people in a crowded auditorium at UW, I really could careless how big the volume collection at the library is or how many Nobel prize winners are teaching, if I have to share my professor's office hours (or should I say TA)right before my final with 500 other people. UVA is half the size of UW...and better is def. not better.</p>
<p>btw...who founded UW?</p>
<p>...exactly...</p>
<p>What are you talking about? Virginia has an elite athletics program</p>
<p>"And UVA is NOT known for its athletics"</p>
<p>... you'll see them on sports center after every football and basketball game.</p>
<p>If you wanted to say W&M is not known for athletics, I would give you that. But UVA has top athletic programs.</p>
<p>I never cease to be perplexed by all the talk of "public ivies" and the depressing attitude of parents and students of "ivy caliber," as if no superlative educational programs were located west of the Hudson River. And I am a proud Columbia graduate!!!</p>
<p>Honestly, I am glad that some folks overlook many of the excellent public and private colleges. That leaves more opportunity for other bright, well-rounded and open-minded students.</p>
<p>I never said UVA had poor athletics...frankly that isn't what they are known for.</p>
<p>WM is low on those rankings because they're poor( as in no money, UVA sucks up all the funds). There is no category for teacher dedication, because frankly if there was, wm could easily be 10-15 on any ranking system, because they make the undergrad experience great.</p>